Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Sholars (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Mike Sholars
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A non-notable football coach for barely notable European leagues. Does not appear to pass WP:GNG.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  —  Eagles   24/7   (C)  22:31, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I'm not finding anything about him on google news or google news archive.  Standard google search brings up his own or affiliated sites such as his personal web site, his facebook page, his twitter page, his flicker photostream, and his linkedin page.  None of these constitute independent coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:GNG.  the links to the TCU web site relate to his brother, not to him.  I don't speak German and can't evaluate the German language sources cited.  If someone can verify that these sources are reliable, independent and contain significant non-trivial coverage of Sholars (not just passing references in team coverage), I'll reconsider. Cbl62 (talk) 22:50, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. Using Google Translate, the significant coverage in the article is limited to and . The rest of the sources are either trivial mentions or WP:ROUTINE coverage of job changes. Not finding much in English searches online. I deleted the mention of his brother, which was not supported in the sources cited.—Bagumba (talk) 23:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per Cbl and Bagumba. User:EuroNews should also probably check out WP:OWN.-- Giants27 ( T  |  C )  01:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

The Articles´ claim of Notability is CLEARLY SUPPORTED BY VIABLE REFERENCES FROM THE COUNTRIES of Said Accomplishments. ALSO Sir. Your comment regarding Greg Sholars is False... He is an EIGHT TIME NCAA DIV. I ALL-AMERICAN Sprinter for TCU, He is Also a 4 Time NCAA Div. I National Champion and a member of TCU´s Hall of Fame. This is CLEARLY STATED in the No. 10 Reference, as are All other Facts in the Article Supported by Viable References — Preceding unsigned comment added by EuroNews (talk • contribs) 01:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "DO NOT Delete" We Feel that these attacks are simply Vandalism.
 * — Note to closing admin: EuroNews (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. —Bagumba (talk) 01:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:VANDNOT.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:17, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

* "DO NOT DELETE" http://www.hunderttausend.de/artikel/dec78102-9487-4707-a028-62c2d38d8095.htm http://www.volksfreund.de/nachrichten/sport/sportmix/regional/Sportmix-Regional-Neuer-Coach-f-252-r-die-Stampers;art165758,2383611 http://www.football-aktuell.de/cgi-bin/news.pl?artikel=12487673505014&rubrik=50 http://www.football-aktuell.de/cgi-bin/news.pl?artikel=12471161955014&rubrik=501416

These references where found in less than 5 minutes on Google.com They are Not Personal pages (incidentally Mr. Mike Sholars Facebook page is Private, so the above statement is False). Needless to say, because his career has been entirely in Europe, Any Search engine ending DOT COM shall be somewhat Bias... attempt using :DE, :DK, :NO , :LU  or .SE  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EuroNews (talk • contribs) 01:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Only !vote once please.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Question for EuroNews. In reviewing your edit history, I note that every edit you have made to wikipedia (nearly 200 in all) starting in 2009 has either been to the Mike Sholars article or to add information about Mike Sholars to other articles.  In order for us to understand your perspective, can you clarify whether you have any connection to the subject of the article?  You are, of course, under no obligation to provide this information, but the information may be helpful in evaluating your input. Cbl62 (talk) 02:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

* DO NOT DELETE  User CB162. Although I do not have a personal relationship with the Sholars family, I Do Know Dr. Angela Sholars King, who is Michael (Mike) and Gregory (Greg) Sholars Sister. I have followed both of their careers since they where in High School in Texas. Football is a pretty big sport down there, especially when a player runs the 100 meteres in 10.3 seconds or less. This is why I am involved, because I know 100% that this article is supported by Viable References. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EuroNews (talk • contribs) 02:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Stop !voting multiple times.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The essay describing bare notability of a subject and caveats of having a relationship with the subject would be helpful for you to consider.—Bagumba (talk) 02:36, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Football is indeed a big deal in Texas. It draws extensive media coverage.  Which is why the complete absence of even one mention of Mike Sholars in google news and google news archives hits seems to indicate that even in football-loving Texas, Mike Sholars did not achieve the required level of notability. Cbl62 (talk) 02:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Sir... The Article Covers Mr. Mike Sholars´ as A HEAD COACH IN EUROPE ... THANK YOU  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EuroNews (talk • contribs) 02:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I was responding to your prior statement that "I have followed both of their careers since they where in High School in Texas. Football is a pretty big sport down there, especially when a player runs the 100 meteres in 10.3 seconds or less. This is why I am involved ..." In reply to that, I simply observed that nothing in that Texas football or track experience appears to support a claim of notability. Cbl62 (talk) 02:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

The Article Has Not Been Deleted... PLEASE REFRAME From Deleting ANY Portions, thus allowing a Fair Assesment (User:EuroNews) —Preceding undated comment added 02:57, 1 September 2011 (UTC).
 * Sorry, but we can't allow copyright violations to remain. The "Youth" section of the article was copied verbatim from "Mike Sholars Bio" here.  We cannot allow that to remain for any period of time.  Please be aware that restoring such copyvio material is a serious infraction. Cbl62 (talk) 04:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Observation EuroNew's edits have the same (mis)-capitalization style as http://mikesholars.webs.com/bio.htm. I think it's safe to say he is the author of the site. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Regardless, the more important issue is following Wikipedia policies.—Bagumba (talk) 04:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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