Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milan Chams (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  19:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Milan Chams
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Previously nominated and deleted. The BLP seems closely associated with the subject of article based on the contributions. Bishal Shrestha (talk) 15:15, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Bishal Shrestha (talk) 15:15, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. I added two references about the director getting the author of an unfavourable film review arrested. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:14, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * For a film director, I think it's TOOSOON. Agree with the passing nature of limited mentions that there are. One or two RS at that, rest are non-reliable, non-independent or self-published. Usedtobecool  TALK  08:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Director has directed multiple movies and has been featured widely. Director strongly follows the criteria of WP:Director to be on Wikipedia and is notable.  Owlf  00:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The subject doesn't meet a single criterion listed on the guidelines section you linked. What specifically did you have in mind? Usedtobecool  TALK  05:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * First of all read WP:Director and has widely featured on National media which follows WP:RS and the director who has already directed around 7-8 movies is WP:TOOSOON on Wikipedia? Lol  Owlf  05:40, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Additionally he has produced 7 movies and directed 9 movies which got good hype on Nepalese Film Industry and you can find many Nepalese national sources and i have added few english sources. So don't come here without reviewing well on google.  Owlf  05:43, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Must you attack me instead of sticking with the actual subject of the discussion though? How do you know I haven't actually done the "... reviewing well on google" part? Back to the subject, please note that WP:DIRECTOR doesn't say notability equals having directed at least X movies. And, wikipedia doesn't have a "hype" quantifier. So, again, I ask you, which criterion specifically does he meet? Feel free to ignore me altogether if you are not going to be civil though. Usedtobecool  TALK  06:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Who's attacking you here? I am here from Nepalese wikipedia discussion list? What's your issue? And read WP:TOOSOON nicely and fyi: you came here to discuss with me, not me lol. Get a life  Owlf  12:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:27, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete At this time I don't see notability. Existence of work isn't notability. Note(worthiness) has to be taken. Trillfendi (talk) 18:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How you can't see notability? When the director has been featured widely and check those Nepali news coverages?  Owlf  06:02, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Hi, i can find a lot sources on google about the director, he has also done a few feature films :-) 🌝Lucas🌞B🌎1991 (talk) 21:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, would you care to share some of those with us so everyone can see and analyse them too? I personally don't doubt that there are a lot of recent news mentions of him. The very reason anyone got interested in this article in the first place would have been because the subject was involved in a recent controversy. My assessment was that a one-time event wasn't enough to satisfy GNG and there wasn't enough coverage of him in reliable secondary sources to establish notability as a film director. I am open to changing my mind though. Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 05:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * In case it wasn't clear from my comment above (before the relisting), I meant Delete . I am still on delete. No new evidence has been presented by keep "votes". Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 06:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG due to a lack of independent sustained WP:SIGCOV. The sources in the article do not get him over this notability bar, nor do the phantom sources LucasB1991 talked about but didn't show. That's basically trying to keep the article on WP:CRYSTALBALL grounds. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, i cannot be on the wiki every day because of work but i did find sources i will post them here :-).   . Maybe adding them would help? I am not from Nepal so maybe someone from Nepal can comment better :-). 🌝Lucas🌞B🌎1991 (talk) 13:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep As the director of at least two notable films that have received coverage and reviews e.g. and received nominations and awards -, he should qualify under WP:DIRECTOR. Hzh (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as per HzH and Lucas B1991 who have supplied references that show that the director and his films have coverage in reliable sources and so the article deserves to be kept and improved, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 20:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * (asking out of curiosity, not trying to be adversarial) It is true that at least two of his films have been covered in RS as per links mentioned above by the two users. The earlier film has at least one reliable source each for Europe tour and nominations at National film Awards. The latter film has a ton of controversy coverage for getting the reviewer arrested (which our subject directly/single-handedly made possible) and at least one review in RS. Now, I am wondering:


 * 1) Is there an unwritten (or written that I might have missed) consensus that "two films covered in RS is enough to establish notability of a director as far as AfD is concerned"?
 * 2) What if there is very little (if at all) actual biographical material actually covered in those RSs to write a biography with here? I have WP:PSEUDOBIOGRAPHY concerns. And thought that whenever biographical information that passes the inclusion test isn't available in RS, it could be considered that it's TOOSOON. I am strongly leaning towards Keep either way here since we do have enough for a 2-3 sentence stub from RS. Just needed to ask in case you have the time to answer.Thanks!  Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 16:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes in WP:DIRECTOR he passes criteria 4 (only one criteria needed): The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. He passes (c) as his works have received significant critical attention, note that it is passing any of a b c or d not all of them although that would obviously be best, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 19:17, 2 July 2019 (UTC)


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