Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mildred's Big City Food


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I see equally committed editors arguing for Delete and for Keep although the most recent contributors, after listed citations and article improvement are leaning Keep. Liz Read! Talk! 03:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Mildred's Big City Food

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Article is about a restaurant in Gainesville, FL that doesn't appear to meet WP:NCORP. There is local coverage, but of the standard variety (i.e. giving out meals at Thanksgiving, open to customer suggestions, etc.) Also to note, article was created by the sock of blocked editor. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink, Business,  and Florida.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: No indication that this has received wider coverage than routine local news coverage or that it's distinguished itself more than a generic local business would to establish notability per WP:NCORP. Reywas92Talk 20:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NCORP. I was actually going to come back to this article and tag it with notability. Almost finished with all of the articles in WP:FLA that haven't been given an assessment. Also, if it's created by a blocked editor then G5 applies. – The Grid  ( talk )  22:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would have said G5, except there has been enough editing from editors that were not the sock that G5 wouldn't apply. RickinBaltimore (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  Analysis of the sources  Mildred's Big City Food is based in Gainesville, Florida. It was formerly known as Mildred's Cottage Gourmet and Coffee House. The restaurant received reviews in the regional newspapers the Orlando Sentinel, the Tallahassee Democrat, and The Gainesville Sun. Orlando, Florida, is 257 mi from Gainesville, and the Tallahassee, Florida, is 154 mi from Gainesville. That the restaurant was reviewed in regional newspapers that far away from it strongly contributes to notability. The sources meet Notability (organizations and companies). The reviews meet Notability (organizations and companies), which says, "Significant reviews are where the author has personally experienced or tested the product and describes their experiences in some depth, provides broader context, and draws comparisons with other products. Reviews that narrowly focus on a particular product or function without broader context (e.g. review of a particular meal without description of the restaurant as a whole) do not count as significant sources."  Sources    The restaurant review notes: "And let's speak here of Mildred. That would be Mildred Pierce, the only role for which Joan Crawford won an Academy Award. ... The connection with Mildred's Big City Food is a tenuous one and more of an inside joke between the owners than anything else. ... The other part of the name is an obvious tongue-in-cheek reference to the sort of dishes one might find in a city larger than Gainesville, say Tallahassee. Still, the menu, which, according to my server, changes nightly, is neither flamboyant nor unnecessarily creative. ... The restaurant's small dining room features a row of banquettes along a wall of shuttered windows and walls sporting metal sconces. Tables are covered with white cloths and topped with white butcher paper. A slender tapered silver candlestick with oil lamp and black shade provides a bit of romantic atmosphere. Two rows of what appear to be copper pipes run along the ceiling and serve as rods for beige curtains with black tassels that are draped so as to provide a sort of canopy."   The restaurant review notes: "Mildred's Cottage Gourmet and Coffee House, is in fact, on a road we barely found. We just happened to see a sign for Mildred's ... In fact, with its high-beamed ceilings and multileveled interior, not to mention its gourmet foodstuffs on stainless-steel racks and its elaborate coffee bar, Mildred's would have fit into Tampa's trendy Hyde Park area, where we'd been the previous day. ... [discussion about sandwiches] I had that last one, and it was delicious. Ellie thoroughly enjoyed the hummus and a salad, and my husband raved about the chicken salad with fresh herbs. For dessert, we had wonderful chilled apple crisp, fantastic blueberry cobbler and just-right Key lime pie."   The restaurant review notes: "Mildred's Big City Food is a restaurant with a split personality. It began life a few years ago as Mildred's Cottage Gourmet, a popular lunch spot, coffee shop and gourmet market in Micanopy. Now it's moved to Gainesville and by day it's an order-at-the-counter sort of place with upscale sandwiches and salads. ... At dinner, Mildred's tries to transform itself into an upscale bistro, but for me, it just doesn't quite succeed. ... The braised lamb shanks (yes, there were two small ones!) were perfectly cooked, the meat almost falling off the bone, but they had not been properly trimmed before cooking, leaving the dish greasy and gamy-tasting."  Less significant coverage:  The article notes: "So, I headed over to a little restaurant in Gainesville called Mildred's Big City Food for an early lunch. It serves simply good, honest food. In fact, I think the name is misleading, because this place is all about local, organic and sustainable - qualities I associate with small-town food. This one little restaurant purchases more local ingredients than 50 of the largest restaurants in Gainesville combined. Mildred's is one of the rare gems that stand for taking care of the community. Their food is all made from scratch, and Chef Bert Gill was gracious enough to provide the recipe for one of his most popular salads."  <li> The article notes: "Mildred's had moved about a dozen miles north, to Gainesville, and has been reborn as Mildred's Big City Food. ... At lunchtime, you can order from the sandwich-salad menu, or choose one of the tempting takeout dishes. ... At night, it's from-the-menu only, and Joe was sorry he couldn't try the lamb potpie in the takeout case. But he was plenty happy with his Stilton-filled steak. ... Any time of day, you can stuff yourself silly with the sinful, hugely portioned Mildred's desserts." </li> <li> The book notes: "Mildred's is a funky European café by day, an American Bistro in the evening when the chef is at his best, It's also a favorite of many Florida writers, including Jeff Klinkenberg, St. Petersburg Times nature columnist and author of Real Florida. You will not find any endangered species here, but you will find excellent fresh seafood, lamb, pasta and an outstanding Key lime pie. Ginger-cured salmon on basmati rice with tangerine oil, pan-fried mangrove snapper on fresh squash and vidalia gratin and quail wrapped in a fig leaf are a few choice selections. The whimsical menu changes daily and desserts are made-from-scratch." </li> <li> The book notes: "Winner of numerous awards, Mildred's Big City Food is a hot spot for those who enjoy good food beyond café fare. Sandwiches at lunchtime include beef brisket with beer-cheddar sauce and a sloppy tempeh-joe with fried onions; creative salads and a quiche of the day. Dinner starts at 5, with three perfect courses to select from: perhaps fresh sardines with a roasted shallot custard, followed by a carrot ginger bisque with carrot salad, and hanger steak with a leek-mushroom tartlet, paired with the perfect fine." </li> <li> The book notes: "Chef-owner Bert Gill buys organic produce from local farmers and seafood fresh off the boat in Cedar Key. The menu changes daily and includes imaginatively prepared specials like mushroom soup with truffle oil, sweetbreads with poached egg, and braised venison with Florida butter beans." </li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Mildred's Big City Food to pass Notability (organizations and companies), which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" Cunard (talk) 07:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Delete: Sources above/article/BEFORE are a mixture of promos and ROUTINE, nothing from IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and in-depth. This is a normal average business, nothing encyclopedic.  // Timothy :: talk  13:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The restaurant has received significant coverage in independent RS in two different cities that are literally 2 hours away, and in opposite directions. That's exactly what we need to see for a restaurant: significant coverage outside the local area. When a restaurant is notable, food editors from far away cities write about it -- in full, in-person reviews, which is what both Cunard's #1 and #2 are -- and the only reason for that is because they're telling their readers it's worth it as a destination (or at least worth a side trip/worth a stop). If it were even just a single instance, I'd be saying it wasn't over the hump. Two plus sigcov locally puts it over the hump of notability for a resetaurant. Valereee (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep per Cunard. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:15, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article was pretty flimsy early on but I've expanded it over time with some more sources including ones that mention communication participation and ownership changes. At this point I'm comfortable in saying that it meets notability guidelines even if it's still a bit on the small side. --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 07:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


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