Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milestone (music venue)


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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 14:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Milestone (music venue)

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Non notable local business. Despite the grandiose claims made about this place, it seems no one has written about it outside the local community. Fails WP:NCORP. John from Idegon (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions.  samee  converse  21:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 03:03, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment Those doing a broader WP:BEFORE might find it worth looking at the page history before Nom appeared, since some aggressive removal of non-cited work have rather aggressively trimmed the article, and they might give a chance to find something. My brief search (too little to cast a vote, yet) only found either the local sources given, or very brief mentions in several books about North Carolina music/musicians. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:16, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We're not in the business of providing free web hosting. The stuff myself and others trimmed were unsubstantiated highly grandiose claims that would require really good sources. I found no good sources even local. Just the theatre group (whose Wikipedia article had the same creator and is equally weak) and a local entertainment website, whose reliability is questionable. I have doubts that the brief mentions found in books are anything but circular. If the grandiose claims can be substatiated, yeah, this place is probably notable. Maybe I'm jaded, but this sure seems like PR hype. John from Idegon (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't denying that they were unlikely, just that they might indicate a few places worth looking in a proper WP:BEFORE. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Delete - no notable Ghits - fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:NCORP. Kirbanzo (talk) 18:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - run of the mill music venue - fails WP:ORG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - for the reasons given by the three above. Conditional if anyone finds anything that might support the earlier version. Nosebagbear (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Well- I 'm unsure exactly more I need to find. Should I contact the various bands of note that have played there to provide a letter of support? But how and where should I publish and provide that? What more sources will I need to provide? (John from Idegon thought this article wasn't appropriately cited: http://www.charlottemagazine.com/Charlotte-Magazine/October-2009/Musical-Milestone/) I'm not saying every place should have a wiki page devoted to it- but this particular spot may need to have a second look due to not only it's age but the bands that were upstarts coming through just before they became national or radio hits. If you can't take local newsprint, or regional magazines- it begs to ask, how can I or anyone prove something here? I'm more than willing to do the research and find a proper way to present this, I just need to know what that is to satisfy someone like John from Idegon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duckbutt23 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * , it's not a case of 'satisfy someone like John from Idegon', and that personalisation is not appropriate, especially as is a highly experienced editor. It has to do with satisfying Wikipedia's criteria for notability which the Milestone venue clearly doesn't - see Quasimodo (music venue) for an example of a notable music pub - note its sources in the established, nation-wide quality press. Note also that notability is not inherited - the artists who have played there, while mentioned, do not add to the notability Wikipedia requires. It's the sources that count. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:31, 7 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:NCORP. Septrillion (talk) 04:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


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