Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milton William Cooper


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 20:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Milton William Cooper

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Deceased self-published conspiracy theorist lacks notablity by all standards. Article was created in 2004, but after nearly 8 years the vast majority of the article still cites either his self-published book or his self-produced "audio recordings" (which themselves have no secondary sources). There is a serious lack of multiple non-trival sources. He is not a notable author (self-published) or radio host (broadcast on his personal short-wave) or politician (a minor fringe following). There are some independent sources, but they deal with him shooting at police and then being killed. However, even this event fails to meet notablity requirements in WP:EVENT. Apajj89 (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment The article was indeed a sorry mess of dubiously-sourced claims and details. I reduced it to only what WP:RS reliable sources will support. - LuckyLouie (talk) 02:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


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 * Keep This article needs improving not deleting. The person calling for it's deletion should put some effort into that instead. Vexorg (talk) 02:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep There appears to be sufficient coverage outside of primary sources already in the article to meet WP:BIO. All sections refernced by this author's self published books does need to be removed and the article generally cleaned up though. RadioFan (talk) 03:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The book may have been self-published, but I remember seeing it available at Borders; it's also available in several hundred libraries: . He actually had a pretty big following in the hip hop community; see this and this, and this. One other mainstream source that discusses him is The Skeptic's Dictionary. I can dig up more stuff if I need to. Zagal e jo^^^ 07:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Reluctant Keep. While the article is a magnet for conspiracy believers and unstable types (read the Talk page), the subject is notable and there are adequate WP:RS sources, more than a few of them scholarly. - LuckyLouie (talk) 03:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "While the article is a magnet for conspiracy believers and unstable types (read the Talk page)" - It's a shame that some (unsigned) editors view Wikipedia as something that reluctantly attracts people with views that conflict with that of this (unsigned) editor. Anyone wanting a proper encyclopaedia would not want it censored as per their own views. We all have certain views. I have certain views, but I don't want to censor Wikipedia to the boundaries of my views. It's sad that politically motivated people are editing Wikipedia. Wikipedia should be above partisanship. Vexorg (talk) 03:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Er, trying to connect me with some political/ideological conspiracy is missing the point. The article talk page is full of personal political rants, personal UFO sightings, and personal tributes from someone purporting to be Cooper's daughter. It needs to be cleaned out, per WP:SOAPBOX, WP:NOTFORUM, WP:NOTMEMORIAL. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, I've worked in the book business in the past, and I know from personal experience that Behold a Pale Horse was a popular book always kept on the shelves at B&N, Borders, and other bookstores. The book is certainly notable, and by WP:AUTHOR, the author of a notable book is also notable. Yworo (talk) 01:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.