Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mina Ōba


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor Talk! 01:34, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Mina Ōba

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The subject of this article is a member of a major music group (AKB48), but does not appear at present to have sufficient independent notability to justify a self-standing biographical article. The two sources cited in the article simply mention her name in passing, so the article fails WP:GNG in the absence of any in-depth third-party coverage. The most logical course of action would be to redirect to AKB48 until some future date when/if the person becomes notable in their own right, and I did redirect the article, but it was immediately undone by another editor who reckons we need to gain consensus first, even though two other editors also recently PRODed the article and tagged it for Speedy Deletion on the grounds of lack of notability. So here we are at AfD... DAJF (talk) 06:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. DAJF (talk) 06:42, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect: Unless/until there is reason to think there will ever be an encyclopedia-article-sized amount of text about her, a redirect is surely more useful. (I wanted to write "an encyclopedia-sized article", then worried that someone would argue on the basis of the obvious misinterpretation. Such is life.) Imaginatorium (talk) 06:49, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Um, @Imaginatorium -- redirect to where? Quis separabit?  14:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant to AKB48, at least for the time being. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said below, she is not a member of AKB48. If the result is redirect, it should be to SKE48. Michitaro (talk) 18:08, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - I don't have the time to read all this now and judge if it is enough to give an "encyclopedia-article-sized amount of text", but there are a ton of articles out there with only her name in the title (I did not include the many that have her name along with others):, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , etc. My impression just going through the titles is there is enough to create your average idol article: info on debut, which team and when (she is an SKE member, but doubled with AKB for a while), election results, becoming team leader, appearances in commercials and films, etc. Oba also had a few mini-scandals, such as when she wrote something in her blog that resulted in a suspension from the group, and some other problem remarks. I'm leaning Keep unless someone can convince me all these articles mean nothing. Michitaro (talk) 13:59, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to either AKB48 or SKE48.  Quis separabit?  22:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the sources I found, can I ask your reasoning behind your decision? Michitaro (talk) 22:37, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, because once the necessary improvements have been made and a suitable article has been fashioned (which does not inspire AFDs or PRODs or speedydelete requests), the redirect can become a standalone. I understand you "don't have the time to read all this now", but when you have the chance, as you seem very familiar with the subject, I am sure you can provide enormous assistance in this endeavor. Yours, Quis separabit?  03:16, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I was genuinely asking what you thought of the sources, but I guess you don't have an opinion. I am not an expert on the subject and had never heard of Oba before this AfD. I have just done what any person participating in an AfD must do, which is look for sources, but I was hoping for help in evaluating them. I will try to improve the article later when I have time, but I would appreciate others actually considering the sources instead of just judging from the current state of the article. As WP:NRVE states, "Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate citation. Wikipedia articles are not a final draft, and an article's subject can be notable if such sources exist, even if they have not been named yet." I am genuinely asking others to consider whether these sources are good enough or not. Michitaro (talk) 13:50, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep As per Michitaro and the jp version of this article, it looks as though there is sufficient material for an article. Bondegezou (talk) 16:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor Talk! 07:12, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor Talk! 07:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - The three sources from Michitaro that I checked with Google Translate all look valid, and Japanese Wikipedia shows a well developed article with varied sources. Alsee (talk) 11:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Keep for now simply until this has can better improved from Japan Wiki and if not, simply return to the AKB48 or SKE48 article. SwisterTwister   talk  20:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


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