Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mind Is The Magic


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The result was   delete, fails WP:NSONGS. Jayjg (talk) 03:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Mind Is The Magic

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Fails WP:NSONGS. "Mind Is The Magic" was released this year as a single, but only reached number 80 in the French singles charts. As WP:NSONGS says, "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." There is not enough information or notability here for a standalone article. Where is information regarding the recording process, lyrics, composition, instruments used, critical reception, etc? There isn't, so this article should be deleted. The album from which this track is taken doesn't even have an article. Existance, a cover image, a few sources and a very low charting position in France does not equal notability.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 22:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral Have some points of WP:NSONGS (have a chart, a release date and a cover (many articles does not has them)) but fails others. The article itself deserve an article, but this version of it needs a copy-edit. Tb hotch Ta lk C.  22:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

This article should not be deleted due to WP:MUS, "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." This song is significant with the following reasons: 1. This song ranks in one music chart (not several, but a single only released in Europe cannot chart in Billboard or UK official chart) 2. There is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article, and there will be more. 3. It is notable because it is the first officially released single for Michael Jackson after his death. And it is a rare non-sony/motown release for Michael Jackson. It's just like a place with no name, which could be not commercially successful, but quite importatnt. 4. What we should do is to find more information to expand or revise this article. Parabola1999 (talk) 14:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Before quoting WP:MUS, please try to understand it properly. It says that if it a single has charted, then it may be notable. Regardless, if there is not enough information to create a reasonably detailed article, then it should be deleted/merged/redirected. There is not enough information to create a reasonably detailed article. Reasonably detailed doesn't mean a few lines. Where is the information on the composition, recording, lyrics, critical reception? There is none. That it may be the first officially released single for Michael Jackson after his death doesn't matter, if there is not enough information or notability to sustain it as a standalone article.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 16:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep The song does deserve its own article. Chelo61 (talk) 02:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Pyrrhus16's comments. Crystal Clear x3 06:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, no information, is a stub. --Eduardofoxx13 (talk) 00:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


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