Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mind sports world championship


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The result was   keep.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 02:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Mind sports world championship
Renamed page: List of world championships in mind sports
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This seems to consist of a user generated phrase. It may well be synthasis. Slatersteven (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The term mind sport exists and has great significance in the gaming world. Some form of the content article should exist for consistancy with other existing wikipedia articles on world championships.
 * There is a strong argument that the mind sport redirect to Game of skill has been made in the wrong direction. The World Mind Sports Games in Beijing had the full backing of the Chinese government, direct association to the olympic games, and there are many chinese language reference to this term.
 * some of the core bodies using the term are found via IMSA
 * http://www.imsaworld.com/
 * http://www.ifpoker.org/news/official---poker-now-a-mind-sport
 * http://www.worldmemorysportscouncil.com/
 * For me the issue is that term defines a group of games that exists as a category it is just the subcategories are referred to more readily. This usage is what the official bodies of millions of members have fixed as the term so while there is a case that it is not prevalent in the language the adjective does get used.


 * In respect of the article perhaps it makes more sense in reverse
 * World Championships in Mind Sports
 * but unless a game that is calling itself a mind sport is treated as no differently from a sport then there needs to be a way to have lists that parallel the sports lists as these make no reference as to why board games would be excluded
 * the category could be directly subdivided into board game world championships and card game world championships but there is a group of events that fit into neither such as World Intelligence championships which even if not current notable could become so.Tetron76 (talk) 17:53, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think clearly the article name has unintended ambiguity and is therefore unintentionally defining a term.
 * I think that some form of the article is important and I would like to see the existing article renamed (and where necessary improved) rather than deleted
 * As I mentioned on the other page could it be renamed


 * The page would can only list 'mind sports' that are called that by third party RS. Soome of the sources you provide above may not meet that critiria (but in this repsect its a bit of a toughy). Also you would have to establish notability of the subject, I am not sure that this has been done yet.Slatersteven (talk) 12:19, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * As can be found in this article found in google news:
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 * there are claims from the bodies that are defining the term mind sport have 500 million registered members.


 * Wikipedia has the page Category:Mind sports it is a broad category


 * Definitions of what counts as a mind sport can be complicated in the same way as - what is a game? and what is a sport? There are articles that unambiguously describe chess as a sport.
 * Similarly there are definitions of games vs sports that clearly place baseball and cricket as games.


 * For example, you can find sources such as below where the South African mind sports body accepted texting as a mind sport
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 * I am not sure of the reliability of the source but for a clearer definition of what the term mind sport is supposed to be is found at:
 * 


 * I have tried to further update the page to conform to style of sports lists such as:
 * List of world cups and world championships for juniors and youth


 * have gathered information for the list from many scattered wikipedia pages:
 * for example the Diplomacy (game) world championship results called WorldDipCon are only found on this page International prize list of Diplomacy
 * there are many similarly disconnected pages where if you don't know the name of the event you will struggle to find the information.Tetron76 (talk) 18:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * List of world championships in mind sports
 * using mind sport as the adjectiveTetron76 (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * moved page List of world championships in mind sports as I think new name better reflects pageTetron76 (talk) 19:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- Danger (talk) 05:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep New name resolves the concern will I think. Old name implied that some sort of overall competition existed which doesn't seem to be the case based on the references provided.  New name makes things much clearer RadioFan (talk) 12:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep List seems like an appropriate place to combine references to a bunch of events of only marginal individual notability. Jclemens (talk) 17:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
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