Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mindless Self Indulgence


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 00:10, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Mindless Self Indulgence

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There’s multiple reasons why this band currently fails WP:NBAND. The references for one are not reliable, and for many reasons:
 * Youtube and Twitter are outright unreliable, almost even unacceptable, websites to be used as sources.
 * Biographicon is a wiki, thus its user-generated content could be a false mirror of us.
 * Kerrang! no longer displays its current information about the band.
 * Tourcrush is just a link to a Flash Player Animation, which is worthless and adds no value or understanding whatsoever to the article.
 * Lindseyway, a website owned by one of the band members "LynZ" is far from being an independent reliable source.
 * The only one that appears to be reliable is an article in the AltPress; however, that one is one of the exceptions to the first criteria of the notability guidelines for musicians, in that it includes an interview about a band member or promo ad for them.
 * The rest of Mindless Self Indulgence is lyrics databases or information that the band posted themselves on their own website (that is, anything with a mindlessselfindulgence in the url).
 * Finally, most of the information found in Biographicon, AltPress and other websites etc. mainly cite this "LynZ" as an important individual to the genre of music in which she performs, but only tangentially mentions her relationship with the band itself. If it does appear that she herself meets WP:BIO, then that would warrant an article on her and not the band itself.

In short, there is no proof that has convinced me that this article/band would meet the notability criteria for musicians and ensembles, despite the attempts to use the sources above as credible references to support the article. :| TelCo NaSp  Ve :|  04:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep — I have friends that listen to this group and even gave them a listen myself two years back. The group is also signed to a notable label and members such as Jimmy Urine have been in the media and awards performances numerous times. They have also toured with Grammy Award winning bands such as Linkin Park, System of a Down and Rammstein. There is no reason at all for this article to be deleted. Plus the Google search results you made for the band (in which you attempted to pass as reasons for the article for the group to be deleted) doesn't mean that they aren't notable; just means that they haven't recently had a lot of media coverage due to it almost being 2 years since a studio album by them which they could even be releasing by this year. • GunMetal Angel  05:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Which criteria listed on WP:NBAND does that satisfy? Plus your last remark just means they aren't notable now, per WP:CRYSTAL. :| TelCo  NaSp  Ve :|  06:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — :| TelCo  NaSp  Ve :|  06:28, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - A quick check of last.fm - http://www.last.fm/music/Mindless%20Self%20Indulgence - shows me that they have over 3000 listeners per week. Seems obvious that any deficiencies are with the article and not the notability of the band itself. Bienfuxia (talk) 09:29, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - my wife has their latest album and personally I think it's %(^%£&*ing awful, but Allmusic reveals that it got to number 27 on the Billboard 200, which would seem to be enough to pass criterion 2 of WP:NBAND. Also, coverage in reliable sources found here, here and in loads of other paywalled articles on Google News -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:51, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - plenty of independent sources and their last album, If, has charted. --Ezhuks (talk) 18:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep – A poorly established article does not directly imply a lack of notability, it simply means no one has taken the time to write a proper article. Remember, Wikipedia is a work in progress. According to the Alternative Press website, MSI have features in three different physical issues. There is plenty of information out there to establish notability and write a decent article, someone just has to take the time to do so. Fezmar9 (talk) 23:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong keep: I've never even listened to this band but I'm aware of their notability. They have 4 studio albums, 2 of which have charted on the Billboard 200, and 5 #1 Dance singles. Plenty of reliable source coverage as noted above by ChrisTheDude & Fezmar9. Clearly passes WP:NBAND. The nom's problems with the sources can be easily dealt with: remove the unreliable and replace with the reliable sources presented here. Makes me doubt that the nom made a good faith effort to find better sources before nominating the article, which is what you're supposed to do before AfD'ing. --IllaZilla (talk) 23:27, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - for the reasons stated above. MSI has also collaborated with notable artists Jamie Hewlett and Jhonen Vasquez, if that's anything. Marcipangris (talk) 14:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.