Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mine(True Blood)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of True Blood episodes. I don't see any compelling arguments for keeping the article below. There do, however, seem to be sound arguments arguments to either delete or merge the article--and a rough balance of voices on both sides--so I'm defaulting to the option that keeps the most content available. For the time being I'll see if I can add a sentence or two to the current summary, but the history will remain visible if anyone wants to take a more in-depth look down the road. -- jonny - m t  13:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Mine(True Blood)

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I wanted to request a move for this page and then discovered that Mine (True Blood) had previously been redirected to True Blood pursuant to an AfD at Articles for deletion/The Fourth Man in the Fire. Question now : what to do with this article and all the other episode pages that have been created in the meantime ?? Passportguy (talk) 12:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Sorry Passportguy but the reasoning behind the original AfD still stands. If you have verifiable useful material why don't you add it to another article? Drawn Some (talk) 16:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I didn't create this article, nor do I have any firm opnion on whether it should stay or not. I am just making the observation that quite a number of episodes articles have been created, inspite of the earlier AfD. I.e. the question is should these all be deleted/redirected or be allowed to stay ?
 * Currently the following articles on single eipsodes of True Blood exist :
 * Strange Love (True Blood)
 * The First Taste (True Blood)
 * Mine(True Blood)
 * Escape from Dragon House (True Blood)
 * Sparks Fly Out (True Blood)
 * Burning House of Love(True Blood)
 * To Love is to Bury (True Blood)
 * You'll Be the Death of Me (True Blood)

Passportguy (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought you had slipped and fallen and bumped your head.
 * These don't appear to be notable and are intensely detailed plot descriptions. Yes, I think they should all be merged into the primary article or create one list with a four-or-five line description of each episode.  Drawn Some (talk) 17:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge with a synopsis, but I am also very much in favor of leaving the idea of break out in to a individual article as per the argument here: Articles for deletion/The Fourth Man in the Fire "What makes an episode "notable"? Should all individual episode entries be deleted for all shows? I recall the initial entries for Lost being quite sparse, yet have greatly expanded as the show became more popular and the mythology expanded. Give it some time. googuse (talk) 17:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)". Peace, rkmlai (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Except that articles need reliable sources for verification. Drawn Some (talk) 19:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, that RS would be found and cited was assumed by me in my idea of article creation. Peace, rkmlai (talk) 21:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  21:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak keep. I am in favour of individual episode listings for every programme, because what works for one should work for all.  However, I went and checked the official website for True Blood; the description here is about 20 times as long as the official episode synopsis, and I think that's way too much unreferenced material (dare I say "fancruft"?  I would, except I'm a fan).  If the people who are selling this programme feel they can describe an episode in a single paragraph, I think it ought to be possible to restrict ourselves to that length.  Accounting4Taste: talk 21:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all No sources seem to exist. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Looking around, unsourced episode guides are a major problem on almost all series related pages. Many of them look very much like copyright infringements of published TV guides. Btw - how would you go about sourcing info on a an episodes ? If the info is copied from a web or published TV guide it would be copyright infringement, and the only other source I can think of would be the episode itself ? Perhaps this should be sufficient as reference ? After all not all references on Wikipedia need to be online sources. Passportguy (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Check out a TV episode article that's GA or FA status. Many source everything from DVD commentary to press releases to books. It's possible, but not easy, to write a decent length, sourced article on an episode. A ridiculously notable series like The Simpsons or South Park would be easy to write a well-sourced article on, but I'm not so sure about lesser known series. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 23:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, extremly famous episodes will indeed be easy to source. What I am talking about is information on lesser known episodes included on lists such as List_of_Psych_episodes, where almost all of the info in unsourced and very likely taken off some TV guide or Tv station website. The reason I am taking up this point is that if we delete these epiodes because they info on these pages is unsourced (as opposed to merging the info into the series' article, then this has major repercussions on many, many episode listings here on Wikipedia, most of which will have to be deleted as after removal of all unsourced info they will consist of nothing more than a list of names which don't warrant an extra article. Passportguy (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's just a one-sentence summary in a list of episodes, it doesn't need sources out the wazoo. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 00:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge --though not as one sentence summaries, 2 or 3 paragraph  is usually about right.  TPH is right though that the basic facts can be taken from any convenient source, and the plot from the work itself. The part that needs to be sourced is interpretation--for that you need an actual review or article. DGG (talk) 04:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and protected redirect or as needed for consensus, merge (although not much to merge here). No independent notability. Eusebeus (talk) 12:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge much shorter version somewhere. This is enough for a shooting script! Rd232 talk 00:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No non-trivial third party sources here. Official episode guide? Nope, 'cause it's not an independent source for the purpose of establishing notability. The Hollywood Reporter article? From what I can see, it's not enough. Nothing to merge except a big ol' plot recitation. --Blargh29 (talk) 00:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.