Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ming Guixiu


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The result was   delete. Secret account 07:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Ming Guixiu

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Article asserts that she was part of the Chinese women's gymnastics team at the 1984 Olympics and that, as part of that team, she won a bronze medal. However, I can find no source substantiating that claim, and the page on the 1984 Chinese gymnastics team at sports-reference.com appears to contradict that claim, as she was mentioned nowhere. I am now believing that the claim is false. There's no other independent notability. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * The team membership is true (see Guangxi Economic YearBook 1985 edition, page 402. Her name is also cited in the book called Chinese Medalists in the 1984 Olympic Games in Google scholar. The China YearBook 1985 by Japan's Chinese research institute lists 7 bronze medalists, including Ming. But a lot of other content seems to be false. The Guangxi Economic YearBook says she's born in 1967, not 1974.  --Skyfiler (talk) 01:02, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Stub. Skyfiler's shown proof that she exists and got the medal, but it's probably not safe to keep any of the content otherwise.  Nyttend (talk) 05:09, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Further comment. I appreciate Skyfiler's citations, but I am not sure that we can/should trust any of them.  The Guangxi Economic Yearbook appears, from the page that Skyfiler linked to and otherwise, to be one of those "Who's Who" books that uses self-provided information to determine what to put in it.  Of the two citations in Google Scholar, one was a pre-Olympics article that talked about the team's expectations — in other words, that she was prior to the Olympics, on the team, not that she was actually on the team that went to the Olympics.  The latter source, just based on title, didn't seem like a reliable source to me, as it appeared to be a propaganda piece.  (I admit that it's subjective.)  Particularly, since we (or at least I — I am hoping that someone can actually take a look at the source itself; it appears that the University of Michigan has it in their digital collection, but I can't find a way for non-UM-affiliated persons to see it), for all we know, it could be referring her as, "Ming Guixiu was initially supposed to compete, but the coaches decided not to take her to Los Angeles," for example.  --Nlu (talk) 17:45, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I note Skyfiler's additional citation to the China YearBook, and the text there appears more credible. I don't think I have anything else to add.  I still find the information a bit questionable, but certainly Skyfiler has brought my own belief into doubt.  I'll submit.  --Nlu (talk) 03:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete According to the standard sources for that contest,,   the Chinese team did win the Bronze; the team for this event consists of six athletes,(Ma Yanhong, Wu Jiani, Chen Yonyang, Zhou Ping, Zhou Qiurui, & Huang Qun) but her name is not one of them. On the Official report, her name appears in the list of athletes,, p.215, but not in those who competed  p.436 & following  I presume the Chinese sources have copied from one another. That someone not on the official results won a prize is an extraordinary claim that would need extraordinarily sound evidence. I suppose that she was on the team, but did not actually compete on the field. DGG ( talk ) 06:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


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