Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minnesota Fats

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep (non-admin closure) Oo7565 (talk) 07:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)"

Minnesota Fats

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Unnecessary dab. The fictional character doesn't have a page and probably wouldn't; anyone searching for Rudolf Wanderone, Jr. would be more likely to search for his common name Minnesota Fats, and this just adds an unnecessary click to the search. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:22, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nomination; unnecessary dab.Renee (talk) 17:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep This AFD is half-baked. For one thing, the article has not been tagged.  And, for another, the proposition that the hugely notable name of Minnesota Fats should lead to no article here is obviously wrong.  There are some competing claims to the name between the real and fictional people and this dispute is itself notable.  I have rewritten the article to make this clearer and cited two good sources. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, serves to explain why the real-life pool player changed his artist name. J I P  | Talk 18:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but as disambiguation page. There isn't enough material here for an article per WP:FICT and the bit about the name is best covered in Rudolf Wanderone Jr. anyway, where it is well-sourced and discussed in the context of his biography. --Dhartung | Talk 19:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I added an AFD notice to the page, TPH (I presume it was a glitch in the matrix) --Dhartung | Talk 19:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it was. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment The fictional character doesn't meet WP:FICT it seems, and any info can be covered in Rudolf's page. It doesn't make sense to me (per WP:NAME) for the pool player's page to be at Rudolf what's-his-face since only pool fanatics know him that way. Someone searching for "Minnesota Fats" would most likely want to find info on the real pool player, not the fictional one. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So you should withdraw this AFD and propose a merge of Rudolf Wanderone Jr. into this article per WP:NAME. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect to Rudolf Wanderone Jr. I wonder how come this hasn't been done already. --Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 22:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge I agree. The other article is much better and gives the infomation on both the real and fictional persons. No need for someone to waste time trying to improve this article. Northwestgnome (talk) 06:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep The Hustler was a landmark film, very famous and iconic. Thus it's no surprise that there are plenty of reliable sources on the fictional character, sans any mention of Wanderone. See, e.g., this Google book search. Of course, I'm quite familiar with WP:WAX, but it's surprising that with all the incredible amounts of fancruft crap—thousands of truly unverifiable video game character articles and the like—to see resources used to nominate this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's Minnesota Fats. What's next, Sam Spade? Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 10:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Subject is notable, plus the existence of the character predating Wanderone's fame shows the marketing that Wanderone did to further his own career. People think Rudolf Wanderone created The Hustler but truth be told, it was the other way around. Without the Hustler, Wanderone would have been a legend around pool halls, and probably not a lot more. Eauhomme (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Clarification I favor keeping the page as a disambiguation page. One redirection to The Hustler character and one redirection to Wanderone, or a clear disambiguation to Wanderone. I strongly oppose removal of the article on The Hustler character or any indication that Wanderone is the only Minnesota Fats. Eauhomme (talk) 23:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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 * Keep for reasons above. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  20:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep A good deal of expansion should be possible as popular culture references to the film specifically. I really couldn't believe this particular nomination when I saw in on deletion sorting. Nominations need to be made with some awareness of the subject & the background. DGG (talk) 01:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Jaw droppingly keep per Colonel Warden, Fuhghettaboutit, Fee Fi Fo Fum, &c., &c. Ford MF (talk) 02:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unusual situation of interaction between fictional character and real person's life justifies keeping, even if an interpretation of WP:FICT would indicate otherwise. JamesMLane t c 20:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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