Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minor Characters in Kushiel's Legacy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I originally closed as merge per Jclemens. However, per Sanstein's appeal on my talk page and Reyk's disagreement with a merge, it seems consensus is against merging. v/r - TP 13:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Minor Characters in Kushiel's Legacy

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Consists only of extensive content summary from a series of novels, contrary to WP:PLOT and WP:WAF. This aspect of the series has no third-party coverage in reliable sources that is substantial enough, per WP:GNG, to be the basis of an article. If deemed necessary, the content can be briefly summarized in the article about the series, Kushiel's Legacy. Otherwise it is best presented in the Wikia wiki dedicated to the series, which appears comprehensive enough to assume that this content, or its equivalent, is already present there.  Sandstein  08:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 09:26, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete: As with a related AfD, this list of characters is not appropriate as a topic per the criteria of appropriate topics for lists since it falls into what Wikipedia is not by being a summary-only description of a fictional work, so it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Notability guidelines apply to the inclusion of stand-alone lists and the subject of this one, a list of minor characters from a fictional series, has not been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, so it does not meet the general notability guideline. This is an unnecessary split of the several Kushiel's Legacy-related articles, where the plot and main characters are already mentioned, and these minor characters are not important to understand the plot of the series, so I do not see why this article should be kept. Jfgslo (talk) 01:37, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Kushiel's Legacy characters per my arguments there. Jclemens (talk) 00:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - TP 00:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete- This article has no secondary sources so it can never be more than pure plot summary and indiscriminate in-universe trivia. I argued at Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Kushiel's_Legacy_characters that that list was unsuitable as a stand-alone article or as a merge, and I think this one has even less validity. Reyk  YO!  23:21, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: lacks independent commentary that would allow this to be something other than WP:PLOT which is what Wikipedia articles are not. Also needs independent commentary to meet the general notability guideline. But none can be found for these minor characters. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.