Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minor Powers of the Star Fleet Universe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was redirect to Star Fleet Universe, with history left intact due to the amount of interest expressed in a merge. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor Powers of the Star Fleet Universe

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This in universe article can only be described as POV fork from the game Star Fleet Universe, which is arguably a POV fork from Star Trek that does not provide evidence of notability per WP:FICTION guidlines. The article does not contain real-world context or sourced analysis, nor does it offer detail on a work's development, impact or historical significance, but is actually an essay based on WP:OR. --Gavin Collins 13:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge with Star Fleet Universe Fosnez 13:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per Fosnez. Note that Star Fleet Universe is the creation of a games manufacturer called Amarillo Design Bureau, Inc. and is inspired by Star Trek Mandsford 22:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with Star Fleet Universe - Neither article is particularly long, so it should be an easy accomodation. ◄   Zahakiel   ►  15:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with Star Fleet Universe. I don't understand the "...the game Star Fleet Universe, which is arguably a POV fork from Star Trek..." section of the nomination... "POV fork" is a Wikipedia concept, while the Star Fleet Universe is a thing that exists outside the Wikipedia as a setting for commercially-produced games. Pinball22 18:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: As the author of this article, and a major contributor to all the SFU pages, I have watched this polling but not voted as that I do have a bias. If the concensus to merge is reached, I only ask that I be notified at the end of polling and given 24hrs to do the merge myself so that I might make it as seemless as possible.  As it is, I created the page to help prevent the SFU page from becoming aukward in size.  I do defend it in that Wikipedia is not a paper entity and that there are numerous other articles discussing sub-entities such as this for many other fictional universes/worlds.  The games of the SFU are steady sellers (the base Star Fleet Battles has been around 30 years and is a gaming Hall of Fame inductee) and I simply want those who might be interested to know that there are notible differences between the SFU and cannon Star Trek.  I will directly dispute the POV fork label though, as my review of that guideline does not seem to match this article.
 * Thank you for taking my comments into consideration. --Donovan Ravenhull 07:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * A further note, if it is merged, I would personally merge it into Alpha Octant myself, rather into Star Fleet Universe proper.--Donovan Ravenhull 07:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Many people have proposed a merger here, but I ask merge what?  This article is entirely uncited original research.  There is nothing that can be merged into another article that shouldn't be removed again as unacceptable original research additions. &mdash;gorgan_almighty 13:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not understand how this is Original Resarch. The article is a summery of information presented in the assorted game systems published by Task Force Games.  These are not where someone simply began to make up information and posted it on Wikipedia, but those who wanted to give a basic breifing on a subject covered much more fully in an established, published fictional universe.  If we wish to debate Notability, then we shall, but from my reading of the Wikipedia policy, this does not constitute original research. --Donovan Ravenhull 13:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This article is an original research commentary on the star fleet universe because it does not attribute any of the information it provides to verifiable reliable sources. &mdash;gorgan_almighty 14:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not original research, by the Wikipedia definition, to describe something based on reading a primary source (the game books in this case), as long as the information used would be obvious to anyone reading the same text and doesn't involve interpretation or synthesis. Now, this article does fail to cite those primary sources, which is a problem, but it's a correctable one and not a case of WP:OR.  Pinball22 14:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What he said. Unfortunately, the definition of OR seems to vary massively from one editor to another. I've seen one editor claim, and assert in his edits, that "see also" links have to be backed by sources - which would make linking Threads and The War Game unacceptable personal interpretation. Another (an active maintainer of the WP:OR page, alas) said that she'd only accept a statement that the planet Jupiter is bigger than the planet Pluto if it comes with a reputable, verifiable etc. external source specifically about Jupiter being bigger than Pluto. At which point the entire Wikipedia, starting with the science coverage, collapses into an unmaintainable nightmarish forest of reference tags... No conclusions in this article are drawn by its editors. Looks good on the original research front to me. --Kizor 00:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Please read Village_pump_(policy) before commenting on this AfD - Fosnez 14:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. Some of this should live with the parent article, but not all of it, and not on it's own. -- Ned Scott 06:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.