Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minoru Takarabe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Sailing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Star. History remains under the redirect should further sourcing on his yacht club work be identified and consensus develops for a new standalone Star   Mississippi  01:38, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Minoru Takarabe

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Takarabe was a competitor in the Olympics who did not medal. We lack any significant coverage, and my search for such turned up a name inclusion in a periodical about Japanese things from 1936, but nothing else. That as a bare name listing with no context of added information. John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Japan. Shellwood (talk) 13:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


 * His bio states he was the chairman of a yacht club in Japan, which has the origins of yachting in the country. I suspect there are sources for this in Japanese, so I've dropped a note on the Japan WikiProject. At worst, redirect to Sailing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Star, per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R and WP:CHEAP.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That is not a bio. That is an extremely short write up connected with a sports database. You have not in any way identified any new sources. We need significant coverage to justify an article, which you have not at all produced.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge Most Olympians have wiki-pages who also didn't medal. Going along with your opinion would result in thousands of otherwise non-notable Olympians being deleted. Réunion (stylised) - (talk to me) 16:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The WP:NOLYMPICS guidelines were changed recently to specifically exclude Olympians who did not medal from automatic notability. They all used to survive under the old guidelines, but they are now fair game for AfD. Jumpytoo Talk 17:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I wasn't aware of this change, sad. Réunion (stylised) - (talk to me) 18:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * To understand the policies of Wikipedia read the guidlines. The Olympic guidelines very clearly state that only Olympic medalists are default notable. However even then we still need significant coverage to justify keeping the article. No significant coverage has been shown here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * In other words, as has recently become clear at AfD, in practice even Olympic medallists' articles will now be deleted unless enough stuff can be found - separately from the usual sports-related sources - to satisfy a deletionist interpretation of GNG, so the above claim of "default notable" is meaningless, disingenuous or both.Ingratis (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Read the above conversation before sending redundant messages - Réunion<b style="color:#ED2939"> (stylised)</b> - (<b style="color:#6AB073">talk to me</b>) 20:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It is in no way sad that Wikipedia has decided to give up on keeping articles sourced to one sports stats page that tell virtually nothing about people for whom we know almost nothing of their life, in many cases not even knowing if they lived 10 years or 60 years or more after they participated in the Olympics. This change will lead to a major improvement in the quality of the articles we have and removal of ones we do. It has caused improvement of existing articles so they now include more sources and a fuller view of the person in question's life, and has lead to the removal of many articles for which we know virtually nothing and have no sources giving indepth coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If no further sources can be found before this closes (presumably by a Japanese speaker happening to look into Japanese sources), then Redirect to Sailing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Star - on the basis of WP:ATD and WP:R, which says: "deletion of redirects is harmful... if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time)" (my bolding). This has existed for almost two years, so long enough IMO. Ingratis (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That is about redirects, not about articles. If we kept in place as at least a redirect article everything that had existed "almost 2 years" we would not delete most articles that comes to AfD. The policy you quote is about how we treat redirects, it has no bearing on what we do to articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for missing the point. It's about keeping a redirect from a longstanding article when there is no pressing reason not to have one. Look at WP:REDIRECTS and WP:ATD]. Ingratis (talk) 23:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Considering how this article was part of a thousands of articles the creator dropped on Wikipedia so fast he has since been banned from creating articles of this size, I do not think it is wise to consider it a long standing article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That doesn't follow. Unlike with articles, the poise of redirects is that they're fine unless they're actively counterproductive but this is the opposite, for several reasons given and ignored. We're not going to agree, so enough. Ingratis (talk) 02:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sailing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Star Jawiki doesn't even have an article on this guy, and a Japanese language google search didn't get any results. Mlb96 (talk) 06:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or redirect to Sailing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Star per WP:PRESERVE, etc. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:43, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


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