Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mirabelle Jien


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The result was Draftify‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 07:31, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Mirabelle Jien

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Article does not meet WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, or WP:MUSICBIO notability guidelines. Unfortunately, most coverage I could find are primary sources (interviews), or are either not independent enough from the subject, or not in-depth. Whisperjanes (talk) 06:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, Women, Music,  and Canada. Whisperjanes (talk) 06:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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 * added some new sources, please let me know what you think! Kinerd518 (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kinerd518 Thank you for putting in the work to find more sources! However, the new sources added are not hitting the marks from the general notability guideline. From that guideline, A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The sources are either not significant coverage, are missing independence from the subject (e.g. her own podcast), or are primary sources (e.g. video of her performance). The source that seems to have the most significant coverage would be the review of Jade Music Fest performances, but it is not independent either; the same organization (The Society of We Are Canadians Too) runs that festival and the website reviewing the festival performances. Whisperjanes (talk) 03:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Whisperjanes i think i have a clearer picture now, thanks! i've added three more citations, would you say i'm more on the right track now? and thanks for your patience! Kinerd518 (talk) 20:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kinerd518 Unfortunately, those three citations seem to only mention her in passing. Personally, I think this topic is a bit WP:TOOSOON to have a Wikipedia article. I hesitated putting this up for AFD, because I know this is a new article, and I appreciated the work you put into it. Alternative to deletion, I do think this content could be moved to userspace (or draftspace) instead, if anyone else agrees to Userfy or Draftify. This article is new, and Jien is relatively young and recently active, so the content that was already written could be useful if she becomes notable. I'm just not sure what type of articles usually warrant being moved to Userspace/Draftspace.  - Whisperjanes (talk) 04:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Whisperjanes for what it's worth, those options seem reasonable to me! it seems to me like we're in the space where references are not quite up to wikipedia article standards, but yet there are references, and it seems a shame to lose them outright when a middle ground option is available Kinerd518 (talk) 04:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete or draftify. This is depending far too strongly on primary sources that are not support for notability at all, and shows very little evidence of WP:GNG-worthy coverage about her in reliable sources. We're not looking for simple verification that she's done stuff — we're looking for evidence that journalists and/or music critics have independently assessed the stuff she's done as significant by writing coverage and analysis about it in real media. Bearcat (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


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