Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miracle cars scam


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The result was Speedy keep withdrawn. (non-admin closure) \\\Septrillion:- &#8237;  10 Eleventeen 16:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Miracle cars scam

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Declined PROD. Reason was: "This article mentions numerous (assumedly) living people by names and makes substantial accusations about their (allegedly) criminal behavior. It is poorly sourced and the sources that are provided do not substantiate most of the content. Substantial portions of the content seem to be running afoul of WP:EDITORIALIZING." \\\Septrillion:- &#8237;  10 Eleventeen 09:01, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep \\\Septrillion:- &#8237;  10 Eleventeen 16:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think we can omit the "allegedly".  The television documentary ("In 2009, a documentary on the scam as part of the series American Greed aired on CNBC.") is an in-depth reliable source and talken together with the other references is enough to establish notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:23, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep with a substantial clean up. Convictions were secured, so most of the BLP issues are resolved.  The scam passes WP:N/CA with lasting significant coverage from multiple sources including Car and Driver and multiple books.  The sensationalist tone of the article can be fixed through regular editing. • Gene93k (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 'Keep. Deletion is not cleanup. Scam clearly meets NCRIME - full length book, coverage in others , some lasting news mentions - e.g. 2016.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz] (talk) 13:47, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


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