Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misho


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 04:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Misho

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I'm nominating this page on behalf of an IP that has consistently been trying to get the page deleted under the justification of "non-significant person". They had incorrectly attempted to AfD this twice and re-added the speedy template twice as well. The first time the template was challenged by another user and re-added by the IP, which I removed. I personally don't have any opinions one way or another about whether Misho passes WP:BAND and am just nominating this for the IP so the debate over the singer's notability can be put to rest. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:14, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - There not much in general on Misho artists: "In addition to Johnny Botts, the artist known as Misho contributed to the piece."New York Times October 22, 2012. "The conference logo was developed by Misho Bills of Huntington, a 16-year-old artist with autism." As for rappers, the only one I'm finding is Misho the Slap (Mihail Mihailov), a Bulgarian mentioned in Big Sha. Armenian Misho isn't covered in English language sources. From the content of the English Wikipedia article, it doesn't see like foreign news/magazine/book sources would write much about Armenian Misho. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 05:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Misho is an Armenian rapper and how do you expect the English-language (especially American) media to write about him? The only article talking about him in English is this one by ArmeniaNow.com, which is a reliable source. And another one that mentions him by PanARMENIAN.Net, which is also a notable Armenian online source.  -- Ե րևանցի  ասելիք կա՞  23:43, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per my comment above.-- Ե րևանցի ասելիք կա՞  23:43, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 01:29, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley   Huntley  00:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)




 * Very weak delete - WP:NOENG means sources do not have to be in English, but that doesn't mean they don't have to be reliable. In these sorts of cases it's often good to have an editor in good standing who is able to translate and summarise what each of the sources say. Simply saying, I'm Armenia and they look okay to me, is probably going to be met with some scepticism, but a quick analysis would be good. I certainly don't read/write Armenia or Russian, but I could GoogleTranslate enough to work out that the AV Show profile is part of a larger "Armenian entertainers encyclopaedia" launched recently. There doesn't seem to be much to specify how that "encyclopaedia" has been written but if it's anything like WP then, per WP:WINARS, we might have to question its reliability. I'm not hugely convinced by the Armenia Now article which is more about an event (a conflict). I would say it does contribute to notability, but we wouldn't ordinarily consider someone notable for getting into an argument with someone else, even if they did it in song/rap. The rutracker one is rubbish IMO - it's a "profile" in a web forum. The profile from Pioneer (the "entertainment section" of the Armenian Herald from what I can tell) is, in my opinion, far more convincing. My quick look (again, my GoogleTranslate) suggests it's a proper profile of him and his music. That would certainly be okay. So I suppose my reading of it would be that we have 1 good source and two "half" sources (if that makes sense). That probably (just) falls short of WP:GNG for me. But if anyone can speak to the reliability of either of the "halves" then that would certainly help. An additional source or two from somewhere else would put it beyond doubt as far as I'm concerned. Stalwart 111  00:50, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Ե րևանցի, I should have also said that the potential source you suggested above isn't really helpful, in my opinion. It's a story about a different artist (albeit one with whom the subject has worked) and the subject has commented on her prospects in a competition. That doesn't add to the notability of the subject as far as I'm concerned. That's more coverage by the subject, rather than of the subject. Stalwart 111  00:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * So you're saying that PanARMENIAN.Net's article Armenian rapper Misho says Emmy has good chances at Eurovision 2011 doesn't prove his notability? I do understand that those two sources aren't 100% reliable, but what sources should I use if there aren't many about him? Most of his bio is translated from thepioneer.am, which as you said is a reliable source. -- Ե րևանցի  ասելիք կա՞  01:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, it isn't really because we need "significant coverage" of the subject. Coverage of someone else (even by the subject) is still not significant coverage of the subject himself. The source itself is, I think, reliable as a source and would be okay if the article was about the subject. I'm not sure where you'd find other sources. If there aren't enough reliable sources about a subject then that subject would not usually be considered notable enough to pass WP:GNG and might struggle against any of the music-specific criteria. It might be a matter of WP:TOOSOON - he may very well be the next big thing in Armenian hip-hop (maybe hip-hop generally; I'm no expert!) but until others have written about him, having an article about him here would be inappropriate. But I'll be the first to say this is a line-ball call. Others might look at the sources and be entirely satisfied. That's perfectly fine. Stalwart 111  03:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, he's not the next big thing of Armenian hip-hop. He have been around since 2001. And I still don't understand what you talking about. The following article http://thepioneer.am/arm/733/weekly/culture/391.html at thepioneer.am, which you said is a reliable source includes a brief biography of Misho at the end.


 * You can use Google to translate it. So what's the problem here? -- Ե րևանցի ասելիք կա՞  04:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think it's a reliable source. I think it's fine to use in the article as a source. I think it helps to establish notability. I'm just suggesting we need multiple reliable sources as per WP:GNG. So more like that one. Is that what you're asking? Stalwart 111  05:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright then. I have nothing else to add. -- Ե րևանցի ասելիք կա՞  00:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries. Like I said, it's a line ball call and my take on it probably doesn't add much to a strong consensus given it's "very weak". But I hope we get some more input. Cheers, Stalwart 111  04:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC).


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:42, 22 November 2012 (UTC)




 * Keep - He seems to be a noteable artist with a well-known Armenian media image. I don't see why the article should be deleted. He seems to meet the criteria for WP:BAND. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 01:18, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This was pretty much started because an IP had been constantly trying to nominate it for deletion of various sorts. I figure that going through a formal AfD process would help settle things and more importantly, if it ends with "keep" then any further attempts by the IP to delete it can be seen as vandalism instead of good faith.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:13, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.