Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic by the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Please refer to my closing summary at Articles for deletion/Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic by China due to obvious similarities. El_C 22:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic by the United States

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See related Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic by China. This article is either a WP:POVFORK or a WP:POINT that seems bizarre. The article is also, seemingly, misattributing political statements and arguments by individual governing officials as official statements of the United States in a problematic WP:SYNTH fashion. We can include the appropriate material at Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic rather than referring to any country with a byline. jps (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions. jps (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. jps (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. jps (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep I see no synth here and covid disinformation in the US has been a major story in national and international news outlets. It's notable. CUPIDICAE💕  21:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This article isn't COVID disinformation in the US. This is COVID misinformation by the US. jps (talk) 21:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And it still doesn't change my vote that it's a notable topic because the US was responsible for significant amounts of covid misinformation and is covered by numerous rs. CUPIDICAE💕  21:05, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see any of those WP:RSes being used in the article. Instead, we have attribution of statements by people like Bill de Blasio as though he is speaking for the entire country? jps (talk) 21:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's almost as if you didn't bother to read any of the sources. “The biggest surprise was that the president of the United States was the single largest driver of misinformation around Covid,” said Sarah Evanega, the director of the Cornell Alliance for Science and the study’s lead author. “That’s concerning in that there are real-world dire health implications.” and Misinformation around the pandemic is “one of the major reasons” the United States is not doing as well as other countries in fighting the pandemic, said Dr. Joshua Sharfstein from The New York Times CUPIDICAE💕  21:22, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * An article on Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic driven by Donald Trump might be a worthy article. But that is not this article. jps (talk) 21:23, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In the United States, misinformation spread by elements of the media, by public leaders and by individuals with large social media platforms has contributed to a disproportionately large share of COVID-19 burden: Scientific American CUPIDICAE💕  21:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * An article on Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic spread by social media, Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic spread by public leaders, and Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic spread by the media would all be articles that could do well as well. The point is that this article's very title is attributing misinformation to a country as a singular voice. There are elements within a whole variety of countries that have spread misinformation. There was the rally in Berlin, there are numerous wackadoos from Australia, UK, etc.... jps (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You're clearly not interested in reading the sources, so I'm not going to respond further. CUPIDICAE💕  21:30, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

WP:AGF. I read both the sources you posted. They say nothing about attributing misinformation to a country as a political, governmental, or monolithic social unit. jps (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which rock you've been under for the past five years or so, but the entire United States experienced a systemwide glitch called Trump, which unfortunately makes this article a keep. ScrupulousScribe (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Blink*. In this very thread I point out that attribution of misinformation to Donald Trump is sourced. Is there a source that indicates that Donald Trump = US while he was president? jps (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge into Trump lies the parts that apply, and random nonsense from Governors can just slip through the cracks, or get added to state specific articles. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rename to Misinformation on COVID-19 by the Trump administration because this is the actual subject of the page. The subject is obviously notable and widely covered in RS. My very best wishes (talk) 00:06, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This isn't a POVFORK. It's a WP:CFORK. The original article is Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic by governments, and that in turn was CFORKed from Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic. The original Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic was massive, and these CFORKs were necessary to keep the article to a manageable size. – Novem Linguae (talk) 01:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the proper title then be Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic by the United States government then? There is a lot of content in the article that is not about misinformation promulgated by the US government, per se. jps (talk) 12:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , The content and the page title should be discussed on the talk page. Not on the AfD page. I exhort you to withdraw your nomination and take the discussion to the talk page. Walrus Ji (talk) 13:05, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If an article is a WP:POVFORK as this one seems to be (it was not spun-out properly from the other article as it includes a lot of content that is manifestly not recounting statements by the US government, for example), then AfD is appropriate. jps (talk) 13:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: This looks like a good case of WP:CFORK the main article is very large and it is good that sub articles are branched off. Walrus Ji (talk) 06:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep' not seeing any glaring issues.-- Moxy 🍁 17:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:27, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge back to Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic. I'm sure this article was created in good faith, but it does not read like a neutral, encyclopedic summary of a topic. It reads like a bunch of criticism of the Trump administration, with a small amount of criticism of other levels of US government mixed in. In practice it's effectively a POVFORK of Trump administration communication during the COVID-19 pandemic, in that it's devoted solely to negative information about the US government's COVID-19 communication.
 * Some of the information can be merged back into the main misinformation article; some can probably be incorporated into Trump administration communication during the COVID-19 pandemic. I don't think it's a good idea to keep it as is. (If the main misinformation article is too long, let's split it by topic instead of by country.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:41, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Now I see that there's a Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic by governments article. That is probably a better target for merging, and it is certainly not so long as to need to be split. —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:47, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep The information contained has encylopedic valueJenyire2 (talk) 10:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This passes WP:GNG, there is plenty to say about United States misinformation specifically, and unfortunately I think there is a lot to say about misinformation in specific other countries. The misinformation is just getting started as the United States has barely begun vaccination.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  23:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


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