Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss America 2017


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Miss America 2017

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Crystal ball The Banner talk 00:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep This event is being held; we have a venue and date, that's all we need for now.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CRYSTAL, this is the type of event that is worthy of an article. Alansohn (talk) 23:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:TOOSOON and recreate from scratch when information becomes available in sources (updated input, as time timestamped below the relisting line.) Comment : please provide a proper reference for the planned venue and date. Absent this, how certain are we, that all of this is actually planned? I didn't come up with anything too firm from the web site for the Miss America pageant at . I see some hazy stuff in several places about Sept 11th. Where is a proper reference? Through experience, we can say that unsourced articles predicting the future can end up tickling a very funky monkey. FeatherPluma (talk) 20:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC) Closer, please note that although we have an article on e.g. Super Bowl LIV (in 2020, no less !!) it has 5 references, covering the elements in the article. Here we have nothing. FeatherPluma (talk) 02:16, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Going by common sense and their scheduling over the last few years it will be held in the second or third week September 2016 (I've removed the specifics about the 11th for now). If something comes out well-sourced about it being held at the Corn Palace in mid-December as unlikely as that would be...well, we have to go with that. But this is one of those simple 'connect the dots' dates and Boardwalk Hall is its traditional home, and even if we don't have the exact date, we know who's at least giving up the crown for the winner of Miss America 2017, and the general timeframe of when and where.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 05:59, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * (carried down from above the time extension, with new recommedation for Delete) In brief: WP:TOOSOON; also, the Keep comments are refuted, per policy. In detail: This is the wrong way to do article content. There are no available references, attested to by the retraction of the content that was specifically challenged. We do NOT have a venue and date (see discussion about about Keep assertion.) The article relies entirely on what can be characterized charitably / nicely as "good faith, common sense content derived by deduction by extrapolation from the past few years". I recommend that Wikipedia cannot put its imprimatur of "verifiabilty as a pillar of content" on this. We do not have a valid WP:CRYSTAL reason to keep; that policy reads, "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable..." (emphasis added). It goes on to give lots of examples of how a future event can have notability now. This content doesn't meet any of the benchmarks mentioned. Granted, the event will be notable, when it meets these parameters. We have a few sentences and an infobox full of nothing but this deductive speculation / WP:OR. The problems persist. How do we know, for example, that the 2016 broadcasters will be the same as 2015? They've changed before. Whatever network is going to be involved is indeed probably booked by now, but we have no sources at all. And the Return of the Virgin Islands in the infobox... is just another "common sense reasonable extrapolation"? Wikipedia should await public announcement of these points, rather than basically inventing things. Retention at this time would run counter to usual application of policy. When information becomes available, restarting the article is going to be simpler than modification of what we have at present. FeatherPluma (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete until more verifiable information comes out, especially a reliably sourced date. Otherwise, we mostly have extrapolation from past events. • Gene93k (talk) 22:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per - There's not much info on dates etc and plus it has a whole year yet so can easily be created in December when more sources. – Davey 2010 Talk 00:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


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