Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Asia Pacific International 2019


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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus for the deletion of this article, after extended time for discussion. Opinions may vary as to whether coverage of the receipt of an award or honor constitutes coverage of the award or honor. bd2412 T 16:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Miss Asia Pacific International 2019

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Article about the 2019 edition of a beauty pageant that in itself is non-notable, sourced only to a personal blog (pageantopolis.com) and the pageant's own website. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 19:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment although I agree with nominator that the current sourcing is horrible, in the interest of not perpetuating systemic bias, I'm postponing my !vote until I see if another editor comes up with sources we did not find. Maybe there are regional or national media in a language other than English. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:34, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable subject. Wide media coverage. Includes reliable references. --Gpkp [ u • t • c ] 15:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * "Wide media coverage" where, please? Just stating this then leaving the AfD debate isn't persuasive. Also note that "It's of interest around the globe" is the very first example of an argument to avoid in deletion debates under WP:FARAWAY. – Bri.public (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment There is sufficient local media coverage of this event and the personal blogs may be removed and be replaced by the references from newspapers. This is notable worthy. Only a clean-up will do. I can do it but I am going to bed now. Leaning to weak keep vote. —Allenjambalaya (talk) 14:58, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The nominator clearly did not follow WP:BEFORE. Passes WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Not really. The global news outlets, e.g. China (cite #1) and Vietnam (cite #7), are covering individual people, not the pageant per se. And we can ignore pageantopolis.com (cite #5 and #6) as having no evidence that it is a RS – in fact it is WP:SPS. Of course the pageant site itself (cite #8) doesn't work either. So we have generously three RSes that covered this. As to the prior comment, "local coverage" does not sustain a decision to keep an article per consensus, as noted at WP:DIVERSE.
 * Finally, the biggest problem here is WP:SUSTAINED/WP:PERSISTENCE, which is extremely unlikely to be met for an edition of an annual pageant – the three potential RSes noted just above are all from the month of October, 2019. – Bri.public (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete regretfully; not seeing anything great offered in terms of sources, per my edits immediately above (bri.public is me). Especially so if the one-sentence Global Times source is indicative of what we can expect in international sources. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:37, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. I reject the argument that we need WP:SUSTAINED/WP:PERSISTENCE - we have WP:NTEMP It is notable now. Wm335td (talk) 20:37, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Miss Asia Pacific International, possibly merge. I'm not seeing much substantial coverage of this particular edition.  Sandstein   13:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.