Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Grand Thailand (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per relatively low participation. North America1000 15:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Miss Grand Thailand
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The article is full of unsourced entries. It did not meet WP:GNG. The mother, article, Miss Grand International was deleted several times. Here's the link for the AfD. Richie Campbell (talk) 00:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  11:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect or selectively merge to Miss Grand, provided that the suggested target is restored following DRV. The subject (both the franchise and the national pageant) has been covered by multiple third-party sources, including this Positioning Magazine article about its origins, business platform, and format; this Post Today article about the competition among domestic beauty pageants; and this Isranews piece looking at the company's posted financials . BBC Thai has mentioned it as part of a scoop on politics and beauty pageants, and a huge amount of Thai-language news reporting has been dedicated to each year's events and their plethora of controversies. The GNG should be met. That said, we don't need separate articles about the franchise and each pageant. Individual articles about the pageants have tended to attract unencyclopedic fancruft, which is why I created the franchise overview article and suggest redirecting there, where it will be easier to trim down unwarranted additions. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per coverage meeting WP:GNG. That an article attracts unencyclopedic spam or vandalism is not a reason for deletion - if it were, we'd need to delete Kamala Harris and Donald Trump immediately. --GRuban (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And what do you think of the suggestion to redirect or selectively merge, given the overlap of the subject area? --Paul_012 (talk) 22:31, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think there is likely room to greatly expand Miss Grand International, since there are so many articles on it in different language Wikipedias. (52 of them! Lordy.) When that is done, there clearly won't be room for merging in Miss Grand Thailand, which is only one sub-contest, even if it is the largest sub-contest. (Something like the relationship between Miss USA and Miss Universe.) --GRuban (talk) 22:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ugh. The huge majority of those are clearly cross-language spam by the same user. --Paul_012 (talk) 22:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.