Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Iraq


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Iraqi Beauty Pageants. (non-admin closure) Kharkiv07  ( T ) 16:15, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Miss Iraq

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I got involved with this article when I noticed an edit war playing out. It was going backwards and forwards between this version and the current one. The problem is, I don't think that either of them demonstrate that the subject passes the general notability guideline. The only source in the previous version wasn't reliable, and the sources in the current version are either unreliable or about different events.

I did find a few promising sources online, but there isn't a decent overview of the contests, so I can't tell if the articles are talking about the same contest or different ones. If they are different ones, which seems likely given Iraq's recent political upheaval, then I am not sure that there is enough material there to support an article. Plus, the recent edit war seems to be caused (as far as I can tell) by a real-life dispute about the history surrounding the contest and which one is the "real" Miss Iraq. I originally wondered whether there was the scope for a page like Beauty pageants in Iraq, but I think that would also require better sources. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 16:10, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, note that a previous version of this article was deleted at Articles for deletion/Mister Iraq. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 16:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. I don't think its fair for Wikipedia to delete an article just because someone is abusing it for many years now. Though we never intended to create one until this year's edition of the contest until we saw this user posting misinformation by creating this page again on 22nd August. Wikipedia editors and administrators should keep in mind that the user has previously tried to create pages such as "Miss Iraq" "Mister Iraq" "Talat Model Management" "Iraqi Model Searches" all of which were deleted. They were made using sockpuppet accounts "nimrod1976" "Mriraq" and Mr. Stradivarius has provided you a link to that. (I have already filed a claim for sockpuppet for "missiraq1947" at Sockpuppet investigations/missiraq1947.Pageantscambuster (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I believe this article should be deleted because it is inaccurate, it is promoting a Miss Baghdad 2014 winner as Miss Iraq, Iraq's Maiden of Beauty 1972 as Miss Iraq, it is an article about Miss Baghdad and not Miss Iraq. The promoter of this pageant claims endorsement and registration with the Ministry of Culture, it is important to state that the Ministry of Culture has not endorsed such a contest nor is it affiliated with it, there is no mention of it. The logo is not registered, the information contained is conpletely inaccurate. I believe that Nimrod1980 and pageantscambuster should be banned and blocked for good, the latter has breached wikipedia rules so many times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missiraq1947 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note Pageantscambuster and Missiraq1947 have now both been blocked for sockpuppetry (see Sockpuppet investigations/Mriraq). — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 06:05, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk  09:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - While the article is a mess right now, and the history is a big can of worms, there's been enough reliable source coverage mentioning 'Miss Iraq' events over the years that I feel the article shouldn't deleted. I can see the argument for maybe paring it down to a stub or something at the moment, but that sort of thing is quite different than just getting rid of the whole thing. As a complicating factor, we do have an article generically about beauty pageants held in Iraq: Iraqi Beauty Pageants. Not sure what to do with that other page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I suggest merging Miss Iraq with Iraqi Beauty Pageants. Biscuittin (talk) 09:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea to me. The sources in that article also look a bit suspect, but with all the sources listed above I believe we can demonstrate notability for that topic, at least. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. I have added a merge tag. Biscuittin (talk) 16:18, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Even though I voted "Keep" above, I'd be fine with a merge, personally. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 13:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge with Iraqi Beauty Pageants. Kraxler (talk) 13:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.