Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Lorraine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Miss Lorraine

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non notable local beauty pageant. Fails GNG MistyGraceWhite (talk) 12:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * How does it fail GNG? IZ041 (talk) 06:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Article can be fixed with a few edits, thus is not a candidate for AfD. See WP:BEFORE & WP:ATD. IZ041 (talk) 03:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:IZ041 if it can be fixed, then show us some significant, indepth coverage, in reliable sources. WP:RS and WP:SIGCOV needs to be met. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 13:08, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * @User:MistyGraceWhite there is significant coverage in reliable sources. IZ041 (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * @User:IZ041 No this is not a reliable source giving significant coverage. This does not even discuss the pageant, it is just a news story, nothing more. Passing mentions like this are dime a dozen on the internet. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 19:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:MistyGraceWhite did you even read the source? The pageant is discussed within the source. The source is reliable and there is significant coverage revolving around the source. This is more then just a "trivial mention" that is a "dime a dozen on the internet". The response you gave made it clear you didn't read the source. In the source they are discussing the pageant and whether or not it will take place, how will it take place if it does take place, whether or not this pageant will send a delegate to the next Miss France pageant and the changes to the pageant after the director resigned. Next time read the source before jumping to conclusions and making it obvious that your doing just that. IZ041 (talk) 21:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:IZ041 I have read the source. It does not discuss anything indepth. You should read WP:SIGCOV guideline before commenting on an AFD. You are repeating yourself again and again without giving any real RS that discusses this indepth. Read the guideline, then comment with a reliable source. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:MistyGraceWhite I've read WP:SIGCOV guideline before commenting, I was not repeating myself, I gave a real RS that discusses this in-depth and the pageant is discussed in-depth. How much more absurd can you get? If they're not discussing anything in-depth, then why is the pageant the subject of the article? The discussion? If the Pope is not Catholic, then why is he the head the Catholic Church? Do you have no common sense whatsoever? IZ041 (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:IZ041 Why don't you copy and paste the exact quote from the source here so that other editors also see how significant the coverage is. you do understand french right? MistyGraceWhite (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:MistyGraceWhite here is the english translation of the article if you're not convinced:

After the dissolution of the Miss Lorraine regional committee, will the election scheduled for September 5 in Vittel take place? Sylvie TELLIER: “Yes. It is not possible to organize the election of Miss France without a representative of Lorraine. Given the very short deadlines, and rather than appointing a new regional delegate in an emergency, we called on a provisional organizer. This is the neighboring Miss Burgundy committee, whose professionalism and loyalty to Miss France values ​​we know. He will supervise the candidates and accompany the new Miss elected until the Miss France competition in December. Thank you to the town hall of Vittel who insisted on maintaining this election. They trust us, and we promise them a superb election. " Your regional delegate, Ludovic Faroult, resigned at the end of March. This left you time to set up a new team. Why did you not succeed? “After the resignation of Ludovic Faroult, the Lorraine committee asked us for time to reorganize. They wished to elect a new president in order to be able to continue their mission and thus request the approval of the delegation. I moved to Metz to meet them. However, the new presidency failed to unite its members and the committee finally dissolved in May. It now seems important to us to take the time to set up an organization that offers the necessary guarantees. " The atmosphere around the Miss contests has been particularly heavy for several months in Lorraine, giving an uninviting image for the candidates and their families. How do you explain it? “It is difficult for me to explain past motivations and behaviors. Today, our duty is to assure the young women elected in the departments that the regional final will take place in September. They were also contacted and reassured. " Ludovic Faroult has registered the Miss Moselle, Miss Meurthe-et-Moselle, Miss Meuse and Miss Vosges brands and is selling them. What do you think of this approach? “The ownership of these brands does not give the right to organize a competition taking the Miss France brand. It is important that potential buyers are informed. Only the local, departmental and regional elections organized under the aegis of the Miss France regional delegate qualify for the Miss Lorraine regional election for Miss France. " As you can see this pageant is the subject of the article with the coverage that is needed from this reliable source. IZ041 (talk) 00:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nom. Fails WP:GNG due to a complete lack of sustained WP:SIGCOV in multiple independent reliable sources. The template attached to the article, Template:Miss France regions, which was created in 2017, has 54 red links to 9 links to actual articles, which says it all about the notability of these local pageants. They are just not notable with high school yearbook level lists of winners being available or a local interview for sources. Newshunter12 (talk) 04:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete due to insufficient coverage in different sources. One source does not an article make. Stifle (talk) 09:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


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