Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Nicaragua 2001


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 16:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Miss Nicaragua 2001

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Beauty pageant sourced to a single fansite, pageantopolis.com. The reliability of the site has been assessed and found unreliable at WP:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Sources. It is unlikely that there are more high quality sources due to its relative obscurity. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC) I am bundling the articles listed above for the same reason – they are all single-source articles relying on the same fansite. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

I have bundled a Miss Peru contestant, Alexandra Liao as failing the WP:BLP1E notability policy. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete we lack the news media sources to show that these are widely followed events.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  20:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nicaragua-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  20:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  20:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Given the high number of bundled articles, this discussion would benefit from some further input
 * Delete all - if we are unable to reliably source these articles then, unfortunately, they should not be retained and to do so would be to violate the core Wikipedia principles Spiderone  21:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 02:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Per previous relist.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, YorkshireLad ✿  (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I looked at the Spanish versions of the articles and you can see some reliable sources cited and also if you try to google search you will find some more. The articles need a lot of work and improvement but deletion is not the solution.--Richie Campbell (talk) 02:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you show us the reliable sources for discussion? - Bri.public (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's in the Spanish version and some through google search. Here's a sample from the 2013 edition of Miss Nicaragua:
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20130305130658/http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/nacionales/279350-nastassja-bolivar-miss-nicaragua-2013
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20130305130658/http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/nacionales/279350-nastassja-bolivar-miss-nicaragua-2013
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20130305130658/http://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/nacionales/279350-nastassja-bolivar-miss-nicaragua-2013
 * https://www.univision.com/shows/nuestra-belleza-latina/nastassja-bolivar-es-miss-nicaragua-2013
 * https://peopleenespanol.com/article/le-quitaron-la-corona-de-miss-nicaragua-nastassja-bolivar/
 * https://ticotimes.net/2014/01/21/after-prolonged-dispute-miss-nicaragua-2013-loses-her-crown
 * https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/blogs/mas-alla-de-la-corona/ex-nuestra-belleza-latina-nastassja-bol%C3%ADvar-es-la-184717289.html
 * https://www.elnuevodiario.com.ni/nacionales/279350-nastassja-bolivar-es-miss-nicaragua-2013/
 * https://www.chicagotribune.com/hoy/ct-hoy-8374955-la-historia-detras-del-traje-de-nastassja-bolivar-story.html
 * https://www.diariolasamericas.com/miss-nicaragua-2013-nastassja-bolivar-se-queda-corona-n2900198
 * https://www.tvynovelas.com/us/noticias/le-quitan-la-coronaanastassjabolivar/
 * https://theobjective.com/nastassja-bolivar-miss-nicaragua-2013-7b66e
 * https://www.nacion.com/viva/farandula/nastassja-bolivar-le-responde-a-organizacion-de-miss-nicaragua/3J3XFSIJVRHRRMDLBUAQT4HDFI/story/
 * https://www.nacion.com/viva/farandula/madre-de-miss-nicaragua-2013-pide-que-dejen-a-su-hija-coronar-a-la-siguiente-reina/H2CJXCJMQNCOTFWD2IKY7CASAE/story/
 * https://www.nacion.com/viva/farandula/mama-de-miss-nicaragua-nastassja-bolivar-aboga-por-su-hija/QWXG64ZWAFBTLEISSKGJS6G44M/story/
 * https://www.nacion.com/viva/farandula/marline-barberena-lista-para-conquistar-el-miss-universo/2KFKQ6Y43ZCCBJKKT6FMQAH3IA/story/
 * https://tucson.com/laestrella/gente/miss-nicaragua-se-queda-sin-su-corona/article_df87d0a6-839a-11e3-8558-001a4bcf887a.html
 * https://www.laprensa.com.ni/2013/03/02/espectaculo/136738-miss-nicaragua-2013-es-nastassja-bolivar
 * https://www.lajornadanet.com/index.php/2017/01/21/lo-que-desea-nastassja-bolivar-miss-nicaragua-2013-para-marina-jacoby-una-de-las-:::preferidas-del-concurso-miss-universo/#.X9F4fi2ZNBz
 * https://ahoramismo.com/entretenimiento/2016/02/nastassja-bolivar-nuestra-belleza-latina-2011-nbl-miss-universo-miss-nicaragua-novio/
 * https://www.lavozdelsandinismo.com/nicaragua/2014-01-22/despojan-de-su-corona-de-reina-miss-nicaragua-2013/ Richie Campbell (talk) 01:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Third time is the charm.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep – No prejudice toward nominating separately. It is clear that there is some source coverage for these pageants. No offense intended, and I could be wrong, but I don't get the impression that the delete !voters engaged in source searching for all of these numerous articles. Unfortunately, the Find sources template AFD template has not been provided beneath each separate nomination to facilitate source searching. Rationales for deletion above come across as assuming that references are not available. For example, the in the nomination, it is stated, "It is unlikely that there are more high quality sources", but reliable sources have been provided later in the discussion, and those are just for one pageant, the Miss Nicaragua 2013 article. One of the delete !votes states, "we lack the news media sources to show that these are widely followed events", but this comes across as potentially basing notability upon the state of sourcing in the articles, rather than per the availability of sources (see WP:NEXIST). Likewise, the third delete !vote states, "if we are unable to reliably source these articles then, unfortunately, they should not be retained", which comes across that the articles are unable to be properly sourced, but again, notability is not based upon the state of sourcing in articles, and just because nobody has come along to add sources to the articles does not necessarily equate to a lack of independent, reliable sources that provide significant coverage being available. Essentially, these rationales comes across as an assumption that since sources have not been added to the articles, that none are therefore available (e.g. WP:NOIMPROVEMENT). However, this is false, because some sources have been provided, and just for one of the pageants, and the user that posted them has also stated that more are available that have not been posted here. None of the delete !voters have revisited the discussion at this time to assess the sources presented as well. The provision of sources in and of itself counters most of the rationales for deletion that have been presented herein. North America1000 05:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - I see no problem in nominating certain individual articles. But the reasonings of Northamerica1000 have me convinced Keep is the best way to close this mass nomination.BabbaQ (talk) 01:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not sure what went wrong here, but, the additional "bundled" articles were not properly processed. They have to be manually processed now. Sigh. Missvain (talk) 16:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.