Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss St. Vincent & Grenadines


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The result was delete. – czar   09:18, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Miss St. Vincent & Grenadines

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Non-notable local pageant, fails WP:GNG. No evidence the pageant is related to "Miss Grand International" as claimed in the article. Fully based on related sources, no independent ones as required by WP:RS. The Banner talk 19:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Affiliated with Miss Universe, has been held for more than 60 years. Clearly notable. Kraxler (talk) 19:46, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are four sources in the article: a page that has no mention at all of the pageant, a Facebook page that no longer exists, a blog/personal website and the organisers own web site, i.e not a single reliable source of any kind. The pageant isn't a separate event but one of many activities during the annual carnival in SVG (equal to being voted "Carneval Queen" in a random carneval somewhere), they apparently have no separate organisation, and even though they claim to be affiliated with Miss Universe Saint Vincent and The Grenadines have only sent someone there a handful of times since 1951 (the last time in 2003), and a search on the Miss Universe web site returns an empty page, with "Saint Vincent" at the top and nothing else. So it's not an active membership. And a search on Google returns nothing. Thomas.W talk 21:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:SCNR. Also, the Miss Universe website confirms that the girls competed there in the years given in the list. Some winners competed at Miss World. You still didn't read WP:BEFORE, I suppose. (It says that you are not supposed to say "There are no sources in the article", but to search for sources and then [if that's the case] say "No sources can be found.") See coverage here which confirms that it is indeed a pageant, albeit in proportion with the size of this sovereign country. Kraxler (talk) 02:47, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:SCNR is just an essay, not a guideline. WP:RS and WP:GNG are guidelines. The Banner talk 10:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * And in case doesn't know what an essay is (which, based on his posts in a number of current AfD-discussions about beauty pageants, wouldn't surprise me the least), it's just the personal opinion of one or more editors, and carries no more weight than my personal opinion, or the personal opinion of anyone else here. I would also like to point out that I, as I wrote in my !vote, did a search on Google on the pageant, i.e. the subject/topic of the article, and found nothing. Just like Kraxler obviously didn't find any sources about the pageant either, just an article about an individual contestant with no significant coverage of the subject/topic of the article. Thomas.W talk 10:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Certainly I know what a wiki-essay is, it's intended to be advice for people who need it. The above linked news report (a reliable source independent of the subject, per WP:GNG) is not only about the winner, it's about the latest pageant, informing about the whole event, and stating a complete list of winners in the several categories. Kraxler (talk) 15:12, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 18:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as no evidence of notability, Fails ORG + GNG. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:06, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - agree with Thomas W. No objection to a proper redirect somewhere. Neutralitytalk 23:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


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