Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Teenage California (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. v/r - TP 00:31, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Miss Teenage California
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previous afd Articles for deletion/Miss Teenage California resulted in deletion. still no significant coverage outside the pageant itself. i tried to find adequate references to show notability, and i dont think i succeeded. only other significant editor is an SPA that hasnt been able to show notability. Article creator is also an SPA, who recreated this after deletion, and created article for a pageant placer, hence their username.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment - the competition that is the subject of this article has been mentioned in the Boston Globe, Los Angeles Times, Sacramento Bee, and San Diego Union Tribube. All are reliable sources; that being said whether any of those articles are indepth enough to be considered "significant coverage" is debateable. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:07, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Additionally there are ten passing mentions of the competition in books. As with the news mentions, it is debateable whether any are indepth enough to be considered "significant coverage". --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:GNG Stuartyeates (talk) 09:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep Statewide competition in the largest state in the country which has run for 33 years. How can that not meet notability. North8000 (talk) 02:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It fails on notability if no independent third party coverage can be found and put into the article. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:01, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, not exactly, The standard is "has received" rather than "in the article".....of course "in the article" is the best way to resolve that.   My comment was based on likelyhood of "has received" North8000 (talk) 15:07, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Keep. --Beastphones (talk) 00:32, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

'''Keep" This teen pageant is the most well-known state teen pageant in California for over three decades. Hard to follow this thread. One needs to be a scientist specialized in Wikipedia. As a layman it's impossible to do so.
 * Delete No reliable, significant sources to establish notability in the article or that I could find. The parent pageants don't have an article so I went a looking... There are no Google News hits for "Miss Collegiate America Pageant", "Miss Collegiate America", "Miss High School America" or "Miss High School America Pageant."  Couldn't find any reliable, significant sources for the parent pageants either.  I went looking at how many beauty pageants for the state of California there are (not local or county, but state level)... I stopped counting at 50. Bgwhite (talk) 06:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Miss High School America and Miss Collegiate America website can be found at http://www.americashighschoolpageant.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.30.123.196 (talk) 06:04, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Miss Teenage California is featured in the book "Girl Power," published by Grand Central Publishing/1995. The author- Hillary Carlip. An entire chapter is devoted to her serving as a judge for the Miss Teenage California Pageant. Former Miss Teenage California 1994 is featured on the cover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laceydog (talk • contribs) 06:17, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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