Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mississippi Winn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sarah-Jane (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Mississippi Winn

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WP:NOPAGE concerns. She was the seventh oldest person in the world at the time of her death. While oldest in Louisiana and oldest African American would at least be top people, the general view is that sub-national supercentenarians are not inherently notable. The three sources are all examples of WP:ROUTINE coverage and no evidence of WP:N. Ricky81682 (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Oldest in Louisiana... really? Why not the oldest in Rhode Island? Are we to have fifty simultaneous articles about the oldest person in each US state, and hundreds of others about deceased formerly-oldests? And of course the territories and possessions! What about Wales, Scotland, England? Essex, Surrey, Kent? Bavaria, Tuscany? Each Swiss canton? The states of India?
 * Pedestrian details of an unremarkable, and unremarked, life. NOPAGE. EEng (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please don't ask that question. You may jinx us with a flood of people who support that question affirmatively in all seriousness. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've performed the anti-jinx ritual. EEng (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete and Redirect to one of the three longevity-related lists she's on. You can find them under "See also" in this "article", such as it is. For sources, we have a primary source (a City of Shreveport proclamation) a fairly brief CNN feature about a birthday with thoroughly pedestrian information, all of it dutifully transcribed into the "article" as if it says something encyclopedic and a WP:ROUTINE obit. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. Precisely the kind of bio for which WP:NOPAGE was written. WP is WP:NOT: a web-hosting service for the Gerontology Research Group, a WP:MEMORIAL board, a place for hobbyists to accrete WP:FANCRUFT. We're building an encyclopedia here. The encyclopedia is not enhanced by hundreds of stand-alone articles like this, celebrating the "achievements" of long-lived people as they vie for mythical titles, with "incumbents" "losing" their places to "successors" who stave off the Angel of death one day, week or month longer than current "record-holders." The study of human longevity is a fit, indeed crucial, subject for our encyclopedia to cover. The individual lives of every long-enduring mortal soul? Not so much. There are three longevity lists to choose from to redirect this person's name. One can even insert a mini-bio on to some longevity lists, and maybe more need them. But the plague of trivial articles long-ensconced in this prohibited WP:WALLEDGARDEN needs pruning. David in DC (talk) 16:16, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Three people mentioned in these articles died while I was reading your long post. EEng (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as above. Bondegezou (talk) 16:42, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The only thing I see noteworthy here is if she was indeed the last remaining child of an American slave. But that in and of itself seems it belongs to a page about American slavery rather than as its own entry. ShelbyMarion (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Several sources provide notability. Also the fact that she is believed to be an endling makes her notable. If people are going to start targeting articles about the last survivors of specific events then there are several others with fewer sources that they can start with. There are more sources out there if you do a little searching:
 * It's Great to be 108 (Jet, 30 May 2005)
 * 930310 (talk) 17:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You haven't answered the WP:NOPAGE argument i.e. that even accepting (for the sake of argument) that the subject is notable, there's insufficient worthwhile stuff to say about him or her to justify a standalone article, and/or that what little is known about the subject is better presented in the context of a larger article or list.
 * If you'll list out the articles you mention as being even more worthy of deletion, I'll be happy to nominate them -- WP:OTHERCRAP. EEng (talk) 04:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Credible claim of notability backed by reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn (talk) 04:26, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You seem to think this is WP:A7. AfD isn't about verifiability of "a claim"; it's about SIGCOV. EEng (talk) 08:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable person. The claim of being the oldest person in Louisiana at the time of her death carries no particular presumption of notability under any recognized specific notability guideline or outcome.  Therefore, in order to qualify for a stand-alone Wikipedia article, the subject must satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG, with significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources.  This subject does not have such coverage.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.