Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Missouri Students Association


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I find the rationale of the delete voters to be stronger than the keep voters. Wizardman 17:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Missouri Students Association

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Local student government organization. No WP:Reliable Sources. No assertion of WP:Notability. RedShiftPA (talk) 17:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of university deletions. &mdash;RedShiftPA (talk) 17:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Inherently notable. Wikipedia has no deadline. GreenJoe 18:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Please cite the guideline which states that it is inherently notable simply for existing. --Dhartung | Talk 21:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - a plainly inaccurate statement. TerriersFan (talk) 22:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment "This is an essay; it contains the advice and/or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. It is not a policy or guideline, and editors are not obliged to follow it.".   - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  contribs  02:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete: SUs are not inherently notable. Although many sources exist on Google etc, none are reliable. 95% of all sourced material comes from the UM Maneater, which is not reliable or secondary to the org itself.— Noetic  Sage  18:34, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. As for reliability and independence, the student newspaper mentioned is not published by the student union itself. The Maneaster's web site states: "The Maneater is the official student newspaper of the University of Missouri - Columbia and is a student organization that operates independently from the student government, the School of Journalism and any other campus entity." Independent student newspapers should be regarded as reliable sources unless there is evidence to the contrary. --Eastmain (talk) 18:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Maneater may be considered secondary to the organization, but it is not secondary to the university. Even so, it is not reliable because it does not have a history of fact-checking and accuracy, much like many professional publications such as the New York Post and shoddy website news organizations.— Noetic  Sage  19:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Noetic Sage.--Michael WhiteT&middot;C 21:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - student bodies have to meet WP:ORG. This requires significant secondary sources. This page hasn't them and thus clearly fails notability standards. TerriersFan (talk) 22:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, the article has a reasonable amount of information, I don't see any need to delete it. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 22:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge (trimmed) to the university's article. Paddy Simcox (talk) 23:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Apparently every article I have written for Wikipedia is up for deletion. Guess my membership will be up for deletion next. BCV (talk) 01:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * KeepPage is sourced with sources independent from the organization, notability is not clearly defined but the organization has a budget of over a million dollars, which is a pretty good indication of probable notability.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 15:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - just another student gov.; non-notable, no meaningful sourcing. These bodies are unknown ten feet off university property. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The first-order major components of a major university are notable. DCV, please do not be concerned if it does get deleted. Given the existence of Deletionpedia, as mentioned at  you will be rather easily able to restore this article when consensus changes back again to realising that the organisation representing the undergraduate students at a major university is sufficiently notable to have an article, under which is newspaper, radio stations, and so oncan be grouped into sections.DGG (talk) 23:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, purely local, what the heck is a first-order component? Lord Uniscorn (talk) 11:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to the main University article unless it is significantly expanded with information regarding all of the groups and events that fall under this umbrella organization. BlueGold73 (talk) 17:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * weak keep http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS251US252&um=1&tab=wn&hl=en&q=%22Missouri+Students+Association&btnG=Search+News shows enough notability (including some not from the school paper). I'd go with merge, but WP:size prevents any merger I can see.  Hobit (talk) 20:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - lack of citations to reliable sources. PhilKnight (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.