Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mister Ed (Season 1)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While there are several suggestions on what to do, the consensus here is clear that these are not appropriate standalone articles, and they are highly unlikely names for someone to type in as a redirect. If anyone would like them userfied, however, I'll be happy to do that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Mister Ed (Season 1)

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Article substantially duplicates and does not expand upon List of Mister Ed episodes. It was created in July along with Mister Ed (Season 2), which I'm also nominating. The page's creator never bothered creating the Season 3-6 articles. However, he did delete all Season 3-6 content from List of Mister Ed episodes, leaving it in a pretty messed up state. After I discovered this yesterday I repaired the list and redirected the season articles, which have numerous errors, but the page creator insists on keeping both season articles despite their redundancy. A list of most of the problems with the season articles is at Talk:List of Mister Ed episodes. These problems don't exist in List of Mister Ed episodes. The page could be fixed, but they're still redundant as they don't expand upon the main list.  Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 19:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm also nominating Mister Ed (Season 2) for the same reasons.
 * Delete both Nothing not already in the List of article, and capitalized "Season" is non-standard titling. No hope for expansion of plots on what is a general sitcom.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 19:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Retain both and develop
 * "The page's creator never bothered creating the Season 3-6 articles". You fail to realize this was a work in progress; always assume WP:GF.Oanabay04 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "capitalized 'Season' is non-standard titling". This was an accident: correct it an move on.Oanabay04 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "However, he did delete all Season 3-6 content from List of Mister Ed episodes, leaving it in a pretty messed up state." The format was grossly incorrect and I meant to give it the proper format. Forgive me for not getting to it and getting sidetracked: relax. This was not WP:DE in any form. A simple communication consisting of "Oanabay04 - I noticed you began improving the 'list of Mister Ed episodes' but have not completed it for some time. Do you intend on finishing it?' Not 'never bothered' or 'pretty messed up' is pretty much fails the WP:CIV ("Don't make snide comments, don't be aggressive), and abuse of WP:POWER, and completed devoid of WP:ALLARGUMENTS.Oanabay04 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Now concerning the matter at hand. Each season page has not been fully developed yet. and I regret having not added a tag stating they were stubs). What I fail to see is how this does not qualify as separate articles, yet Everybody Loves Raymond (season 1), Everybody Loves Raymond (season 2), Everybody Loves Raymond (season 3), Everybody Loves Raymond (season 4), Everybody Loves Raymond (season 5), Everybody Loves Raymond (season 6), Everybody Loves Raymond (season 7), Everybody Loves Raymond (season 8) and Everybody Loves Raymond (season 9) all do...while not being very different from List of Everybody Loves Raymond episodes (I admit; the plots from the List of Mister Ed episodes page should be removed in order for each Season page to be able to stand on its own). The end goal with the Mister Ed project, as well as future ones of this nature, is to develop each season into a full article with ; akin to List of Friends episodes, and the more detailed Friends (season 1), Friends (season 2). Oanabay04 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * AussieLegend. Your talkpage and excessive Barnstar awards suggest that you lack the ability to WP:DISENGAGE and are bordering on WP:DIVA. Please learn to discuss the issue directly first instead if simply reverting edits that might actually help the article. Thank you kindly.Oanabay04 (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oanabay04, please comment on content, not on the contributor. Thinly veiled attacks don't help your arguments.
 * "You fail to realize this was a work in progress" - Edit histories show that you only ever edited the articles for a 24-hour period on 12/13 July. Your first edit to List of Mister Ed episodes deleted all of the season 3-6 content, which was never restored. Since then you've made 900 edits to Wikipedia and none to these articles, so it doesn't look like it was a work in progress.
 * (re capitalisation) "This was an accident: correct it an move on" - I did correct it, by redirecting the article to List of Mister Ed episodes, where all of the errors that had been present in the season articles had been corrected. Clearly that didn't work. The articles need to be moved to the correct capitalisation, merge in all of the corrected content and then expand the articles significantly beyond being simply a list of episodes. Correcting it isn't simply a matter of changing links, as you did to Mister Ed (Season 1), when you broke a series of links including those in the AfD template.
 * "A simple communication consisting of "Oanabay04 - I noticed you began improving the 'list of Mister Ed episodes' but have not completed it for some time" - There are so many cases where editors make peculiar edits that it's simply not practical to ask for an explanation of why they did something 2 months ago. Any editor can edit any article. They do not need your permission to correct obvious errors or apparent vandalism. It was your responsibility not to leave the articles in a state where they don't meet our requirements. If you can't create an article that meets minimum acceptable standards in article space, then you should draft it in userspace and leave it there until it's ready.
 * "Everybody Loves Raymond (season 1)" (etc) - As I've already pointed out, Everybody Loves Raymond is not FA or even GA, so the articles are not good examples. Nor were they split properly. The editor who did so has made the same errors at numerous articles and has regularly been reverted.
 * Of course, none of this is really relevant to keeping these articles. In their present state they are clearly redundant to the main episode list. If you intend expanding these articles I suggest creating drafts in your userspace, using GA and FA articles as a guide. There are also many non-GA/FA articles that are examples of what you should be aiming at as a minimum standard. The Big Bang Theory (season 1) is one, NCIS (season 3) is not. Given that you've already been "distracted" for 2 months, and I suspect that would have been longer had I not redirected the articles, this would probably be the best option. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 09:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I was unaware that Everybody Loves Raymond (season 1) was a poor example. It was not marked with any sort of comment or suggestion to mark it for deletion. Put together a complete list of pages that meet proper standards and I will follow those and will work to improve these articles. Thank you for your input.
 * "it's simply not practical to ask for an explanation" - that is a personal preference.
 * "Given that you've already been "distracted" for 2 months... - WP:NPA, WP:BULLY, WP:BRICKS. Spend some time reviewing this: The Rules of Polite Discourse.Oanabay04 (talk) 15:40, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've already suggested using GA and FA articles. They aren't hard to find and it's not really up to me to compile a list for you. You would do well to read WP:LAWYER and I suggest you take any valid criticism a little less seriously. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:42, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not tolerate patronizing criticism, only constructive criticism.Oanabay04 (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to List of Mister Ed episodes. I don't see any good reason to split these out at this time.  The individual season material can be developed right in the list article until they reach a stage where splitting is appropriate. -- Whpq (talk) 21:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - I don't see a consensus yet, but I'm leaning towards a weak keep. This was a cult favorite, and there's no good reason not to have separate articles, other than the difficulting in finding older print sources, such as TV Guide. Bearian (talk) 13:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * When splitting episode lists the season articles need to contain significantly more information than just a copy of the episode list that was in the main episode list article or there is no point in splitting the main article. Neither of the season articles contain anything more than just the episode tables, so they are redundant to the episode list. Only seasons 1 & 2 were split. This too is pointless. If you're going to split the episode list then you split all seasons. The two articles that were created contain numerous errors that have been corrected in the main list and therefore need to rebuilt completely in order to incorporate the corrections. This is why I said we may as well start from scratch. A full season article would actually be a good idea but, as you've said, there would be a difficulty in finding older print sources to expand the articles. Until sources can be found, there's very little point in keeping two error-filled articles that are redundant to an existing article. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 14:51, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Userfy as my take on this is that it is indeed notable enough and there is the possibility for enough to condone spinout of each season from the list of episodes, but this was a task that was never completed. In the mean time, all of the season pages (currently existent or not) should redirect to the list until the userfied drafts are substantial enough to be stand alone articles. Technical 13 (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.