Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mister X (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep as I'll close this myself since the sources at least seem better (NAC) (note the social media still needs to be removed). SwisterTwister  talk  21:57, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Mister X (band)

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None of the sources are largely substantial significant coverage and my own searches have found nothing noticeably better. Unless better native sources can be found, I'm not seeing the acceptance. SwisterTwister  talk  20:44, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: Wikipedia exists to help people find information about various topics. Deleting articles such as this kinda goes against the whole aim of this website, regardless of what excuses you find for it. Anyway, I thought these sources already in the article were enough: here, here and here (the third one is unfortunately broken at the moment, but it was a lengthy interview with the band's singer). Here are some more: interview, info about a past concert, where they are referred to as the most well-known Belarusian punk rock band, ditto, again, even older post about a 2007 gig, interview about Grodno punk scene where they are mentioned, interview with the band's vocalist. I could also dig up plenty of sources in Russian and maybe a few in Belarusian, but I think these will do. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * When will this discussion be closed? I'm asking only to make sure that there is no expiry date that might end up getting the article deleted. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 11:02, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:57, 15 July 2016 (UTC) The reason given as to why the article should be deleted was "None of the sources are largely substantial significant coverage" and SwisterTwister asked for better ones, which I've provided. What else is there to discuss really? I understand how someone who doesn't speak Russian or Polish may find it more difficult to find information about this band, but I've already done that and no other reasons behind the proposal to delete the page were given. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 02:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I've added the new sources to the article to show that they are relevant and appropriate. SwisterTwister, can we close this discussion now? I understand that it is your responsibility to select pages that may not be suitable for Wikipedia, but I have already addressed the issues you identified adequately (Belsat, Dziennik Polski, and Gazeta Krakowska are all fairly large and reputable news sources in Poland, Belsat in Belarus for its anti-censorship approach as well, whilst the other sources used - even if much less known - fit the requirements too), so I think it would be better to move on and look at other new articles that (or the plenty of older ones out there) that are much less appropriate. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 06:37, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

SwisterTwister, it has been almost two weeks, can you please respond? --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 23:01, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

NewYorkActuary and North America, what do you guys think of this? SwisterTwister has listed the Mister X page for deletion, but he does not seem at all interested in taking part in the discussion or at least closing it now that the issues have been resolved. I mean, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, however when looking at his contributions it is clear that he has been very active on Wikipedia for every single day since my initial response and so I don't know how he could not have noticed the 3 times that I linked his name here. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 00:41, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * First, I'm not sure why you're pinging the two other users as they have no interest with this article. As for this AfD, I was simply waiting for others to comment about this, because I still am not entirely satisfied. SwisterTwister   talk  01:12, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. Samotny, my only involvement with this nomination was to post it to the relevant noticeboards.  But, I've now taken a closer look at the article and I can see why Swister is concerned about the quality of the sources.  The Facebook and Bandcamp sources confer no notability whatsoever.  And as for the others, they are largely the brief, routine press-release bios that normally accompany announcements of an upcoming show.  The Silesia and Belsat sources only give passing mention to the band; the Dziennik Poland and Deadpress sources are interviews with the band's leader (and these can't be used to establish notability either).  The only source that goes even a little beyond these routine or primary sources is the brief write-up in the Krakow Gazeta.  But even here, the coverage isn't significant.  Because I don't want to turn your ping into a "boomerang", I'll not weigh in with a specific recommendation. But I do think Swister had valid reasons for making this nomination, and I don't think your sources have addressed the concerns raised by the nomination.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * NewYorkActuary, thanks very much for getting back to me and taking the time to look at this. The problem was that I had no idea whether SwisterTwister even cared about my response or the new sources because he didn't care to reply until I asked someone else to participate in the discussion. As for the sources: the facebook and bandcamp ones were used primarily for information rather than to establish notability. The Belsat source does mention the band only once, but the punk scene report pays more attention to them and is in my opinion adequate even if not perfect. Regarding the interviews, why can't they be used to establish notability? Isn't the fact you can find various interviews with this underground band's singer enough to show that they are extremely successful for a non-commercial hobbyist group that releases all of their songs for free? Especially considering the fact that they are from a country like Belarus, which tries its best to suppress people who oppose totalitarianism and makes it hard for them to leave the country to go on tours (yet they still do it and have garnered plenty of fans in internationally). And while the brief write-ups for gigs may not be the perfect sources, how numerous they are should be enough to demonstrate notability to at least some extent. Anyway, another source that is not within any of the categories you claimed are insufficient for notability is this short history of the band in Russian that I added - it describes them as "one of the leaders of the post-Soviet Oi! scene". Also here is another interview, this one is in Russian and with two of the band's members. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Another thing worth mentioning is that they are the second most popular Belarusian punk band on last.fm judging by the number of listeners, which again is quite an accomplishment for an underground music group that has no intention of achieving worldwide fame. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 21:13, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

More sources: 1 - a review of one of their albums by a punk zine from Minsk. 2 - news piece about police brutality that occurred at one of Mister X's gigs in Ryazan back in 2013, when Putin's boys stopped the concert early on and used false accusations to harass the audience (if I remember correctly the band members were also detained back then, but this is not mentioned in this story). --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 21:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Here and here are two more sources about the same event. The first one is from the Komsomolskaya Pravda (Russia's top-selling newspaper in 2006) both added to the article now... SwisterTwister, how can all this info put together not count as enough significant coverage? --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. North America1000 21:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 21:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is an open-and-shut case, assuming the refs are not lying, which I do assume. They are an internationally touring band ("they frequently tour other parts of Eastern Europe as well (Russia, Latvia and Lithuania, among other countries) and have played in Western Europe too") which just by itself satisfies WP:BAND. This is not even considering "the most well-known Belarusian punk rock band" (Belarus is a large country!) and so forth. And they have several records. Why are we even having this conversation? Keep. Herostratus (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can attest to the Polish and Russian language articles being predominantly RS and not small-time self-published blogs. Anglophone world media outlets of the same calibre would be accepted without the blink of an eye. Per Herostratus's argument, they meet with WP:N. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:16, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


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