Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mitch Grassi


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The result was redirect to Pentatonix. No objection to the meaningful stuff being merged Spartaz Humbug! 00:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Mitch Grassi

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WP:BLP of a musician whose notability is entirely dependent on a band, and who does not have sufficient reliable source coverage, as a standalone topic separate from the band, to warrant a standalone BLP. The sourcing here is almost entirely dependent on unreliable sources, like IMDb and blogs and Q&A interviews and the band's self-published social media presence, which cannot support notability — there's only one fully reliable source in the entire article, but it just namechecks his existence in an article about the band rather than being about him in any substantive way. And furthermore, almost every detail in here about anything he did outside of the band context is entirely unsourced (except for a YouTube series that's sourced only to itself, rather than any media coverage of it.) Per WP:NMUSIC, a musician notable as a member of a band gets a redirect to the band, not a standalone BLP, until such time as you can properly source them over WP:GNG as a standalone topic. Redirect to Pentatonix. Bearcat (talk) 07:16, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  sst  ✈  07:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge the two sentences about the Youtube show to the Pentatonix article and redirect. I don't see that a separate article is justified here. --Michig (talk) 18:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect as mentioned, unlikely independently notable for a separate article yet. SwisterTwister   talk  06:58, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Grassi is notable as he "[h]as credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition" and "[h]as written a composition that has won ... in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers" as he was credited for a Grammy winning arrangement. I do agree, however, that much of the article needs to be rewritten and all of the unsourced statements either need references or to be removed. ~Peter Dzubay (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Those are the criteria for classical composers and non-performing songwriters, not performing musicians who happen to have cowritten songs for their own bands. And at any rate, (1) Grassi isn't a credited songwriter on any song that has its own standalone article as a separate topic from the album as a whole, so it hasn't been demonstrated that he has credit for writing or co-writing a notable composition; (2) he wasn't a credited songwriter on the only song that's named in this article as having won an award (the band won a performance award for a cover of another band's song, not a songwriting award for an original composition), so it hasn't been demonstrated that he's written an award-winning composition. Bearcat (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable enough to pass the general notability guideline. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 12:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * What sources are available to demonstrate that he passes GNG as a topic in his own right independently of the band? They're certainly not in the article. Bearcat (talk) 19:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you, as nominator, had followed WP:BEFORE, you wouldn't be asking... Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 21:00, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I most certainly did do my due diligence in that regard. I see a lot of blogs which cannot contribute to GNG at all, and a lot of mentions of his name in coverage of the band — I don't see a lot of RS coverage of him, in his own right outside of coverage of the band, that would adequately support a standalone BLP as a separate topic from the band. Bearcat (talk) 23:05, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect not notable as an individual based on Wikipedia guidelines. If that changes (like he did a solo album), then a separate article could be created. Kevin Olusola has enough independent coverage to merit his own article. Grassi, not yet. -- ‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel  ‖ 19:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


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