Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mitchell Landzaat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. The consensus below is that there are not enough independent, reliable sources to support an article at this time. Eluchil404 (talk) 06:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Mitchell Landzaat

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Non-notable actor, he played minor roles such as cops, a helmsman and a handyman in TV movies/mini-series according to IMDB. He also was stunt double in yet another TV movie. And acting in commercials certainly isn't notable (unless it's a celebrity tie-in or the like). SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 23:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * keep Notable actor with notable roles backup by verifiable reliable third party sources. And two nominations on one day... Night of the Big Wind  talk  23:33, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If a PROD is contested an AFD may follow per WP:CONTESTED:
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 * Use the tag, for articles which do not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, but are uncontroversial deletion candidates. This allows the article to be deleted after seven days if nobody objects. For more information, see Proposed deletion. That is what WP:FAILN tells me.  Night of the Big Wind  talk  00:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And when someone objects WP:CONTESTED applies and an AFD may follow (precisely to let others weigh into the discussion so it doesn't become a tit-for-tat between two people). SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 00:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:NACTOR requires more notability than the subject of this article has.  I note that the article references an appearance in Jesse Stone: Innocents Lost, but the subject is not credited in the article or other official sources.  Clearly, the role was not a major one. Colon el  Tom 00:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * sorry, correct a type in your text Innocents Lost was indeed a difficult one. I was doubting if I should add that. The source for that was a real difficult one: my (distant) cousin Mitchell Landzaat himself. That is also why I took care of proper sourcing, to avoid of a conflict of interest. For his role in "Shattered City" I like to point at the article Halifax Explosion, to be able to make a better judgement of his role as helmsman. Night of the Big Wind  talk  00:36, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you are aware of WP:COI. I have fallen into that trap myself on Dutch wiki. BTW I can't find any notable sources when I search for +"Mitchell Landzaat" +"Shattered City" on Google. IMDB and other user created sites generally don't count (see WP:ELPEREN). If you can find something like an article about him or one of his parts in a major film magazine or a well-known film site that could change the outcome of the debate considerable. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 00:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am, don't be afraid. But I was not aware that IMDB was not acceptable as source. And I think it will be news to a few thousand other editors... Night of the Big Wind  talk  01:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Especially Dutch editors who are not accustomed to the requirements stated in WP:VER on the English Wikipedia. IMDB can be used as an external link but in most cases can't be used to prove notability. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 01:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I will normally use IMDB for an overview of the roles an actor played, not for the biography. For the overview the IMDB looks reliable to me. Night of the Big Wind  talk  11:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - No coverage in independent reliable sources, and the body of work itself is not indicative of notability. -- Whpq (talk) 17:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as per WP:NACTOR and lack of indepth coverage in independent third party sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.