Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mixer Jaëxx


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. --Core desat 03:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Mixer Jaëxx

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Delete: Non-notable rapper per WP:N. Article is all vanispam, references are all self-promo, releases are all Internet download singles. De-prodded by anon with no explanation. WRK (talk) 11:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

True; this article is respectable. Yet, the rapper is non-notable; and no sources. It seems to be a good article candidate; yet with all these necessary things missing...  Meldshal 42  11:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete 1.The article states that he is currently preparing a debut album, so the subject is not even published yet. 2.The tone of the article indicates a conflict of interest. 3. Fails Google test and WP:NOTE applies. 4. Frankly the whole article is borderline WP:SPAM Pedro | Chat  12:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per the foregoing comments. --Evb-wiki 12:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. As per CSD:A7.--Edtropolis 16:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per A7; quite aside from all the accurate comments above, this is an unverifiable mess.   RGTraynor  16:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

"Non-notable rapper. Article is all vanispam, references are all self-promo, releases are all Internet download singles."-WRK

The quote left by the user WRK is false and should not be a valid point to delete the Wikipedia written about the underground recording artist Mixer Jaexx. WRK's quote shows no evidence that the article is vanispam or self promotion, and doesn't state where in the article Mixer Jaexx is referenced to as a "Rapper". Without the proper facts and quotes within the article, WRK's Statement should be considered no more then a disrespectful opinion. The term "Vanispam" is not described in WRK's quote "Non-notable rapper. Article is all vanispam, references are all self-promo, releases are all Internet download singles."-WRK All WRKs quote states is "Article is all vanispam" WRK does not state which article he or she is talking about and does not show and evidence as to were the term "vanispam" is present in the article written about Mixer Jaexx. Calling the article Wikipedia article on Mixer Jaexx "vanispam" is by no means a valid point to delete the wikipedia article on Mixer Jaexx. The accusation WRK stated in the quote "Non-notable rapper. Article is all vanispam, references are all self-promo, releases are all Internet download singles."-WRK, about how the article is nothing more than self promotion also shows no evidence that Mixer Jaexx him self wrote the article. The fact that the only links available at this point in time are to his own personal websites, do not prove Mixer Jaexx wrote the article himself nor does it prove the links are self promotion. Mixer Jaexx.com, and Jaexx.com go to the same website. The website does contain some of Mixer Jaexx’s music, however the content of the site also has forums as well as artwork. Once again Mixerjaexx.com and Jaexx.com are the only sites at this point in time that talk about Mixer Jaexx, making it the only internet resource one could put on wikipedia. The fact that the links go to Mixer Jaexx’s website does not prove in any way shape or form Mixer Jaexx wrote the whole wikipedia article him self. Finally, the last statement in the quote from WRK, "Non-notable rapper. Article is all vanispam, references are all self-promo, releases are all Internet download singles."-WRK, stating Mixer Jaexx is "non-notable rapper" is nothing more than a disrespectful opinion towards the artist. The wikipedia article written about Mixer Jaexx states that Mixer Jaexx is a "Recording artist" and an "Underground Producer". The Wikipedia article also talks about the different genres Mixer Jaexx creates. Once again WRK has shown no evidence to prove the article is calling Mixer Jaexx a “Rapper". As anyone can see WRK was very blunt and very disrespectful towards the article written about Mixer Jaexx. The information WRK posted to get the site shut down is false, he shows no evidence on how any of his points could be valid. Again the statement Non-notable rapper. Article is all vanispam, references are all self-promo, releases are all Internet download singles."-WRK, is nothing more than a disrespectful opinion when looking at legitimately.24.22.240.76 23:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC) — 24.22.240.76 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete Like 99.99% of unsigned musicians, does not pass WP:MUSIC. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  00:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA!!!U R VERY BAD WEBSITE!!! FIRST OFF... and why do care about this dj he wants to get known in the world with his great music.. Non-Notable rapper?? DO NOT DELETE!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.72.139.19 (talk • contribs) 01:37, June 14, 2007 — 68.72.139.19 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Do Not Delete: I'm a good friend of this guy! What's the problem mates?! Yeah, this guy is so awesome, he produces and releases his music for free, is that so bad? If it is, ask yourself, WHY?! It's some of the best I've heard! Ever heard of DJs giving one of their mixes out for free? I do it! It's called self promotion, but people of the likes of you wouldn't understand that. The Sources may not all be there, but everything besides the fact that he is not a rapper and not releasing a debut album, is true! I don't understand the problem. These people put together a very respectable page for Jaëxx and the next thing you know you people are trying to delete it! It's time wasted for those, and knowing most people, it will come back! I say keep the page, it's very respectable, most of the information is true, and the guy really wants to get his name out there, and this is helping him. Why don't you guys do someone a favor for once in your boring lives, and keep the page up and help someone out with their dream.

'''Keep in mind that none of this is recalling to your deletion policy! The Deletion policy does not include any of what I have stated! Stop changing your rules just for one guy! It's pathetic. I know these rules!'''

Jaëxx, if by any chance you read this, or the guys who did the awesome job making this, Totally on your side! I don't see what their problems are!

Much Respect to...most of you, (Producer) AiliX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.227.103.3 (talk • contribs) 04:04, June 14, 2007 — 216.227.103.3 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Wikipedia operates on a policy of verifiability. It doesn't matter how well you know him, we need reliable sources to show us the facts. This is part of our deletion policy. You are the one asking us the change the rules for one guy. Wikpedia is not a place to advertise yourself or someone you like. You've given us no reason within Wikipedia's policies to keep this article, and several in your own words that show it needs to be deleted. -- Kesh 04:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete as Vanispamcruftisement, fails WP:BAND. See above, anon's comments pretty much seal it. -- Kesh 04:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable, and the supposedly supportive comments of AiliX above just confirm it. - fchd 07:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I really don't have time to talk, but I think I understand why WRK and other "hardcore Wiki" users think Jaexx is a rapper. No, they don't know him or read the article or even listened to his music. A guy who came over to pick me up, I showed him the page and told him the mess that was going on, showed him the page and he said "Girl its cos of the african american babe he's with. They see her and think he's a 'rapper'."

I did not think of it before, but I think he's right, I think it's a racist stereo-type. Black girl, white boy: must be a rapper, huh? Jaexx has mentioned in blogs about producing and working for hip-hop artists but has never called himself, or his own music, hip-hop, so no one who knows of him thinks he's a rapper. Yet, these hardcore Wiki users, logging in probably hours on Wikipedia every day who, of all people, should read through every article they are about to try and delete, keep saying he's a rapper when nothing at all, at all, states that.

It does not look good for any of you either way. Either people are judging this guy based off of stereo-typical racism or they're judging this article without ever reading any of it, and just mirroring this "WRK" guy's thoughts of Jaexx being a "rapper". I have more things to say, like stating Wikipedia's actual article rules and about how some articles on some lesser-known DJs (not musicians, but DJs) have not been hassled like Jaexx has, or how the founder of Wikipedia himself says he has not problem with hundreds of Pokemon characters having their own articles (but must have a problem with Jaexx according to the Wiki's), or to break down these Wiki-peoeple's quotes to show how they are contradicting each other, or how on Earth people who spend their time on civil war, house of congress and foot ball articles are more experts on recording artists and producers versus people who are actual fans or are themselves...

But Wikipedia is not my life. So it will have to wait... This will give you all hours upon hours to do all your little research on new ways to try and justify your monstrosity you call a "User Driven Community". (Too bad, before I believed Wikipedia was our community.)

Indie Fan T.F.

Come on guys get a life.. I did not read all of the 'deletion policies' etc but how can you be so anal about it?!
 * Comment - with respect, this debate is completely related to the 'deletion policies'. - fchd 10:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Quick note: for a nice example of hypocrisy, take a look at Mixer Jaëxx's comments on his own forum site. Referring to me as "this fucker", he pleads with his fans to "BE RESPECTFUL! There aren't little kids visiting Jaexx.com (well, there shouldn't be), but there are on Wikipedia. So, NO CURSING! I mean that... Also, be respectful of this fucker. Yes... he/she don't deserve it, but do it anyways. Show'em your better than this ONE person. Don't insult'em, don't call'em names..."  Maybe he needs an article as the only person in the world that doesn't realize his own forum is publicly viewable.  WRK (talk) 11:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * He's far from the only person in the world believing he has a constitutional right to a Wikipedia article and gets combative on a personal forum when it's threatened. The benefit is that by this time next week we'll all have forgotten about this fellow.  By the bye?  I just ran a Google check, and minus Wiki mirrors, Myspace pages and this fellow's own website, there are only twenty-one unique hits .  Anyone get the notion that we're being spammed by the bare handful of people who know who this guy is?    RGTraynor  12:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Bold textDO NO DELETEBold text I am not understanding what the problem is. The very small paragraph about this artist is far from controversial or inaccurate.  Wikipedia is known extremely well for not beening a credible sorce, so why are they worried about an unknown artist.  If anything he should stay up there to show that not all artists are worried about making a dollar to get their music out there. If the sight is worried about losing accreditation with the information on this site, then shut down!  Everyone know this site has bad info on it.  Lets not lose sight of what is going on.  Read the article one more time, and try to find the problem:

Mixer Jaëxx (Pronunciation: ˈjāks), born 1981[citation needed] and raised in the Tampa Bay, Florida area, is an American recording artist and music producer currently residing in Tampa, Florida. Jaëxx is best known for producing his own urban and electronica music and releasing it to the world for free. 11:59, 14 June 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.239.231 (talk • contribs) 17:01, June 14, 2007 — 70.246.239.231 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * If that's what he's best known for, he doesn't satisfy WP:BAND nor WP:BLP. We have these very specific rules about what gets to be an article here, and you're not providing us with anything that would prevent this article from being deleted. This is not MySpace. Further, though you claim the article is "not inaccurate," you've provided no verifiable sources we can prove that with. We can't just take your word on any of this. -- Kesh 17:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, some people have made some logical inquires about the article, such as Kesh. It's been mentioned "verifiable sources". One of two things...

1, this article is not about anything but Mixer Jaexx, sharing his music for free and information about Mixer Jaexx, to whom the article is about. A reliable source is his own web site, which clearly states his own name, jaexx.com and mixerjaexx.com. I understand people want to try and protect Wikipedia by verifying outside sources, but that can be done via his own web site because his web site, among other things, is the server for hosting his files. Not all of us download his music directly from his web site. I for one include his songs on my P2P program, which all originally came from the jaexx.com server thingie. So when writing an article about a recording artist and producer who has a nice fan following mainly because of the fact he is sharing his music for free, referencing jaexx.com is absolutely a reliable source because anyone who questions the article's validity of this artist sharing is music for free can be verified immediately after visiting his web site. See, anyone can rip a song and put it onto a P2P network, but Jaexx is actually allowing downloads of his music from his web site and saying his are free to share on P2P networks or DJ at club or other things you really would to ask him.

The second thing, which I understand... How can we verify that Mixer Jaexx is Mixer Jaexx and not some 90 year old Chinese American woman? See, that's the problem right there. NO ONE is calling that into question, so it is a**-backwards to call for the beheading of this article. We don't care whether or not a Wiki admin expert on US politics or NHL, has not heard of Mixer Jaexx. You don't need to know him for us, his fans, to create an article for him.

I repeat... no matter how many hours a day you spend on Wikipedia, it does not make you an expert on topics which you are not involved with. Too bad no one has actually said anything who knows about music or about Mixer Jaexx. Oh wait! Yes people have, it's the one's the warning on top of the page is "warning" not to become involved yeah. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

The person, Mixer Jaexx, who the article states has released songs and other information, is all verifiable easily. And no one is claiming that Mixer Jaexx is actually another person. So to the few, wondering if Mixer Jaexx is verifiable, yes... Why on Earth would there countless apon countless interviews about him when, which he has stated himself, he is turning down or postponing interviews until all songs from his album are released. And honestly we don't care about interviews, we care about how long we have to wait for new music from him.

There is so much disrespectful, rude and inaccurate garbage coming from some of these hardcore Wiki people... and I'm really sick of this, but it's time to go over Wiki's deletion policy that these Wiki admins are claiming states this article should be deleted.

Reasons for deletion

See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion

Reasons for deletion include, but are not limited to, the following:

1. Advertising or other spam without relevant content (but not an article about an advertising related subject) 2. Content not suitable for an encyclopedia 3. Copyright infringement 4. Hoax articles (but not articles describing a notable hoax) 5. Images that are unused, obsolete, violate fair-use policy, or are unencyclopedic 6. Inappropriate user pages 7. Inflammatory redirects 8. Article information that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources 9. All attempts to find reliable sources to which article information can be verified have failed 10. Newly-coined neologisms 11. Overcategorization 12. Patent nonsense or gibberish 13. Redundant templates 14. Subject fails to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP and so forth) 15. Vandalism that is not correctable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dj_krmak
 * 1. Is not advertising or spam in any way shape or form, unless you want to call ALL articles on Wikipedia spam
 * 2. Content is just as suitable for an encyclopedia as much garbage there is for Pokemon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
 * 3. Is not copyright infringement, even though the image of Jaexx on the article keeps getting removed as "copyright infringement"
 * 4. Hoax article, nope
 * 5.Images are unused, nope, they're useable (just someone tell that to the admins)
 * 6. Inappropriate user pages, nope, you don't even need a user page to create articles
 * 7. Inflammatory redirects, none
 * 8. Article information is all arriduted to reliable source (they artist's own web site, can't get much more reliable than mixerjaexx.com for Mixer Jaexx)
 * 9. All attempts to find reliable sources have succeeded as they are clearly stated in the article, with references inside of his web site backing up information
 * 10. Noelogisms? Not commenting on made up words...
 * 11. Not over categorized
 * 12 Not nonsence or gibberish
 * 13. Not redundant templates at all
 * 14. Subject does meet the relevant notability guidelines by comparison to other articles, including these DJs, lower on the food chain than artists and producers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Greyboy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Xclusive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dj_slouch


 * 15. No vandalism at all

And also, ANYONE who wanted to express their views on this, can. Do NOT let them intimidate you with their giant "ATTENTION!" with a big red warning sign. This is a USER created article and when people want to express their disdain against Wiki-power users wanting it removed, they sure as heck can. Do not let this gestapo ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo ) type group keep you from expressing your views against their warrantless actions. (Your music policy is a disrespectful joke to underground and independent artists.)

Do you Wiki-powerusers think you're fooling us? We know this is a good 'ol boy system. Google searching the terms "corrupt wikipedia admins" brings up countless upon countless reports of abuse of power, such as this situation is here. One former "top 10 editor" of Wikipedia sums up the very scenario that we are all facing.

"Wikipedia’s faulty ‘central control’ means that making serious efforts there is akin to attempting professional writing, tossing it into a wastebasket full of somebody else’s notes, and hoping that it doesn’t get thrown away by an ignorant janitor with power-mad delusions of grandeur. I’m not trying to imply that janitors are stupid, but there are people who see it as their ‘job’ to go around cleaning up Wikipedia; unfortunately, they generally don’t know much of anything about the articles that they are editing. In other words, as described by Fuelwagon, “I imagine Wikipedia more like a couple acres of pretty flowers... run by some guys on lawnmowers.” Now, its true that Wikipedia does a fairly good job of combing out swear words and pornographic pictures (a task which one could probably condition laboratory mice to do)... however, when it comes to the critical editing process, the people in charge are neither qualified nor capable."

Apparently the situation we are facing is nothing compared to what others have dealt with. It's sad really... Before this whole incident, I was ignorant to the corrupt, abuse of power behind some people involved with Wikipedia. I guess it's better to know the truth this way.

Indie Fan T.F. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tronikfunk (talk • contribs) 22:33, June 14, 2007 — Tronikfunk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * First, I would suggest you drop the rhetoric. There is nothing "corrupt" here, you simply misinterpreted Wikipedia policy. This is articles for deletion, which is a discussion about whether an article satisfies Wikipedia's two primary policies: notability and verifiability. Since Jaexx is a musician, we also take the guideline WP:MUSIC into consideration to determine his notability. In this case, we specifically refer to line 14:
 * Subject fails to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP and so forth)
 * Quite simply, Jaexx does not satisfy our policies yet. There are no verifiable sources quoted about him, and nothing to show he is notable in the music field yet. By Wikipedia standards, that means the article is to be deleted. Just because other articles may exist for now does not mean we have to keep this one. (In fact, I'll likely go nominate those other articles tomorrow, when I have time to open AfDs for them.)
 * I'm sorry if you feel this slights Jaexx and other independent artists, but bands are deleted from Wikipedia every day for exactly these reasons. Take a look at WP:AfD and you'll see dozens of articles about musicians nominated for deletion, most of which will be deleted because they do not yet satisfy WP:MUSIC.
 * You state that there are "countless" interviews with Jaexx? Please, provide either links to the websites, or cite the magazine/newspaper articles so we can see them ourselves. And no, his own website does not count. That's what verifiability means: we have to be able to read, for ourselves, from independant sources about who Jaexx is and how he's important to the music scene.
 * As for your quote above, anybody can get on the Internet and say what they want. That's exactly why we have WP:V as a policy. This is not corruption, it's the only sane way to keep the encyclopedia from being turned into MySpace. The warning at the top of this page is because we often have problems when an article is nominated for deletion, that the fans will come to Wikipedia in droves and demand the article be kept, without concern for Wikipedia's policies.
 * Guess what? That's exactly what's going on here. People are demanding we keep this article on Jaexx against policy, and then claiming we're "corrupt" and not following our own rules. Please, take the time to read the policies I provided, maybe glance through the list of other articles up for deletion and see why this article currently does not have a reason to exist here. If you can provide us with multiple, independant sources we can verify Jaexx's notability with, then we'd have a reason to keep the article. -- Kesh 00:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Do Not Delete Hello from El Salvador, I do not see any reasons for that deletion, I'm a musician too, and what is if a fan wrote a bio about me, them he/she email me saying "hey look what I wrote about you! There's no copyright infringement or someone can tell me that Wikipedia is only for "Comercial" Artist ?? I think anyone who can contribute with any kind of art should not be despised by someone who don't like his art. If that is the point, I don't like britney spears so I should put her to a deletion discusion. Please help us to continue spreading the art and let the wikipedia be a true source of knowledge not a simple question-answer encyclopedia, thanks -- N.wolfwood — N.wolfwood (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * I hate to repeat myself, but: this is exactly the point. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of information. We don't put up articles on anyone and everything, only subjects known to be notable. Sometimes, things slip through the cracks. That's what this deletion process is for. Unfortunately, Jaexx does not satisfy our policy on notable musicians. Wikipedia is not a self-promotion tool. We're not saying we despise his art, we're just saying there's no verifiable information to show how he's important to the music scene. -- Kesh 01:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

___--Do NOT Delete--___ First of all, with some of the crap I've seen on Wikipedia, and alot of incorrect or incomplete information, I find it hard to believe that you peole who run wikipedia do a very efficient job of editing the content on what it posted. We all know that the internet is a great medium for both finding and giving information, sharing of music, ideas, pictures, finding wives/husbands etc. So why is there a problem with having a single page with information on a very talented person. The whole idea of Wikipedia is being a source of free information that is user friendly and can be customized by the user. If you delete this, then you should go through and really delete alot of other things on here too. I don't see the problem with allowing a very talented and honest producer featured on this site. It is just as viable as the rest of the information found on Wikipedia. I just don't see the harm in it. And if you even read what this person is all about, you would know that he is not a "rapper" like you say he is. Before you delete things, why don't you look into what they are referring to. As always, keep doing what you're doing, but don't delete this page. --Frostbyte — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.167.160 (talk • contribs) 04:53, June 15, 2007 — 71.243.167.160 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Kesh, you've been a very respectful Wiki-power user, it seems one of the only ones who actually has READ the article and you are really the only person making a point. There are a lot of different things I can respond to, but at the very least say kudos to all the different supporters and fans of Jaexx (my friend and I were starting to feel we were alone). So I really can't get into it... but I want to correct a little typo which you got confused on Kesh.

"Why on Earth would there countless apon countless interviews about him when, which he has stated himself, he is turning down or postponing interviews until all songs from his album are released." I misspelled "apon" and left out a "be", it should be "Why on Earth would there be countless interviews about him". It wasn't being said there "are" interviews, it saying what Jaexx mentioned on his site. My bad. He is turning down, or more likely postponing interviews now. I mean the guy is different... I think in a great way. I confess the first time I've personally spoken to him was a few days ago, with one post on his web site (still doesn't mean I'm not a huge fan of his), but on his myspace page every single person that communicates with him, he responds to. Yet while at the same time, he says

"I'm not like anyone else on myspace. I don't have 10,000 "friends" on myspace, I only have a few because I'm only friends with people who actually interact and delete people who don't and ONLY care about self-promotion, popularity or exposure. The people I am "friends" with on myspace, though, I actually talk with and interact and have fun with. So feel free to add me and I'll drop you a REAL, non-copy and paste comment, but I will delete your *** if you don't show the same respect."

My friends have been added by "artists" who are nowhere near Jaexx's status but have 10,000 friends... That shows the character of Jaexx. See how different this guy is? I don't find it surprising at all that he is not engaging in interviews. In fact, honestly, for all we know... reading somewhere that he produces outside of "Mixer Jaexx the producer", he could be a producer for some big label or artist. Little known fact, he is or was an advocate against the RIAA and he may be trying to play that down more. He could be keeping "Mixer Jaexx" and his real name separate; one's producing for the mainstream and one's producing for the underground. (It's just a theory of mine, not in any fact factual.)

So when it comes to interviews and outside sources, he does not seem to even want the exposure. But we want information about him on Wikipedia, after all... he even mentioned not being too keen on all this information being supplied, but said this article is "for us, by us, about him". He really is the exception to this rule.

But, Kesh, you make a great point. The music policy of Wikipedia, which I understand not you or any other Wiki-power users setup, states it does not want 99.99% of unsigned artists. One bad thing, for Jaexx, that my friend remember reading somewhere that he is against signing onto a label for his own music (and is against creating a vanity "self-label"). There are managers and promoters and distributors (been doing my research) that can get him to superstar dome without being onto a label... I don't believe a label would allow him to freely share his music any ways, so that could explain it.

So, according to Wikipedia's music policy, he may never qualify (not being signed) no matter how big or well-known he is (yet fans will continue to have a problem with the policy). Kesh, it sounds like you don't have a problem with Jaexx (and a few other Wiki-power users)... It's the music policy you have a problem with, I assume. Some people calling for Jaexx's beheading on Wikipedia think the article is "respectable" and worthy, but this one policy is the ONLY thing dictating his article's execution.

Rather than fight against all of and many other artists that have come and past... Why not fight this one policy? I mean we're experts on Jaexx and his music and people like him. But YOU guys are experts on Wikipedia, so how come you can't fight to change the clear injustice this policy serves to respectable artists such as Jaexx? I mean he was so furious, he doesn't want to have anything to do with Wikipedia now. That's so sad, this should have brought him joy, instead, it brought him anger, because of some idiocy of people (calling him a rapper), but most the rest is because of the policy.

You guys are fighting us and him on the policy's sake. What's the policy ever done for you? It sure has made you guys look bad to us, and it's caused unnecessary stress to us and disrespect to Mixer Jaexx. Honestly this isn't just about Jaexx, but about preventing future artists and their fans from facing the same crap. Is this "our" community? Then prove it to the powers that be. (Otherwise, we're forced to believe the corruption of power is true on Wikipedia.) Indie Fan T.F.


 * *Reply: The reason that we're disinterested in "fighting" the notability and verifiability policies is that they are what distinguishes Wikipedia, an encyclopedia, from a free web host like Myspace where anyone can have a page. Shorn of the rhetoric, what you and your friends are doing is telling us Wikipedia shouldn't be what it was designed to do, based on the grounds that you like this guy and want us to promote him.  That's on a par with him doing a public performance of his work and some of us barging in and forcing him to play Beethoven or Mozart tunes instead, just because, well, we want him to do so.  In the end, what Wikipedia is is what Jimbo Wales and the Wikimedia Foundation have set up, and we're playing by those rules.  If Jaexx feels "disrespected" by that (not that he and his supporters haven't disrespected us, descending to curses and direct insult), that's regrettable, but he can always take his resume to the Encyclopedia Britannica or Encarta to see what their take on his notability is.    RGTraynor  12:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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