Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moamel Ahmed Shakeer (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 23:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Moamel Ahmed Shakeer
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Biography of a computer programmer; previous AfD 6 months ago ended in no consensus. When I happened upon it earlier today it suffered from extreme citekill, with 45 sources, 43 of them press releases, including up to 11 copie of the same PR, issued by the company he is the director of. I spent more than an hour on it, comparing sources and weeding out duplicates and irrelevant PRs. The article is now supported by seven press releases and two interviews that contain much the same info as the PRs.

I think it is clear that WP:BASIC is not met, and the article doesn't in fact make any real claim to notability. bonadea contributions talk 23:05, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This is what the article looked like before I cleaned it up today. --bonadea contributions talk 23:50, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Iraq. bonadea contributions talk 23:05, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This person has done a lot of vandalism, including articles and deletion of things, and this will affect the vote or the decision to delete
 * This article has been upvoted for the second time in less than a year.
 * Pretending to be a vulnerability finder
 * You can find his name in the Facebook honor list
 * If you search...
 * https://www.facebook.com/whitehat/
 * 2018/2019/2021
 * And also this personal writes in the newspaper Sky News
 * It is considered one of the most famous newspapers in the world
 * Please re-post the article before the edits made by this person Muamalq (talk) 23:45, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Facebook being used for sourcing tells us this person isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 04:30, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete no sources found, this "digital influencer" (according to his photo caption) isn't at GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 04:32, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at the last AfD, he seems to publish many of his own press releases and pushes them out to various media outlets. His claim to fame is that he was one of 129 people to find a bug in a facebook thing. Being one of a group of 100+ people doesn't make him more notable than the other 128 people in the group, none of which have articles on wiki. He's attempting to build his brand, using wiki to do so. Most "influencers" aren't notable, in spite of what they may tell you; we need published, neutral material in sources unrelated to the subject at hand. Oaktree b (talk) 04:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Based on the page history, it appears to have been created by someone with a COI and was rejected twice from the AfC process with one rationale being: "Just being an IT security specialist and doing one's job isn't enough.". It appears nothing has changed since the article was created. I'd suggest a SALT but that seems premature at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Some sources prove that he is a digital influencer
 * https://www.skynewsarabia.com/business/1574341-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82-%D9%8A%D8%AE%D9%81%D8%B6-%D8%A7%D9%94%D8%B3%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%A9-1-%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%B1
 * https://www.skynewsarabia.com/varieties/1545095-%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D9%8A%D8%B4%D8%B9%D9%84-%D8%BA%D8%B6%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86
 * https://www.skynewsarabia.com/technology/1582059-%D9%88%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%A9-%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%8A-%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%B0%D9%84%D9%83-%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B0%D8%A7-%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%81%D8%AC%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%88%D9%84%D8%9F
 * https://www.skynewsarabia.com/varieties/1543786-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%95%D9%84%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8A-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%AF-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%B6%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%87
 * https://www.skynewsarabia.com/technology/1509528-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%AD%D8%B8%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%A8%D9%88%D9%83-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%95%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%BA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B7%D8%B1%D9%81 Muamalq (talk) 14:49, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and above fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

And you can do a search for her name in Arabic to know the amount of fame that he possesses. Some sources can take the name and search better https://www.skynewsarabia.com/search?q=%D9%85%D8%A4%D9%85%D9%84%20%D8%B4%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%B1&offset=24&sort=RELEVANCE (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * keep Moamel Ahmed is not only a person who discovers loopholes, but rather an influential person in the Arab and Iraqi technical world in particular...
 * Comment. This is one of those situations where more is less. I think an attempt by to fix the previous mess has been somewhat successful. Bearian (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - It looks to me like WP:BASIC is not met. This is a case where WP:THREE is excellent advice: what are the core 2-3 sources taken to establish notability? The sources I checked seemed too brief. Suriname0 (talk) 16:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


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