Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mobile Entree


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No significant coverage in reliable sources.Sancho 06:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Mobile Entree

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This is a non-notable piece of software, with no significant coverage that I can find. The article was created by a single-purpose account whose edits have been exclusively promoting this software and its parent company, H3 Solutions Incorporated. --  At am a chat 16:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related article because it suffers from the same issues, and is the company that makes the software in question:
 * --  At am a chat 17:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  —-  At am a chat 16:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All of the Wikipedia administrator comments have been reviewed by me and I respect all of the observations. I have already begun rewriting the articles in order to meet or exceed Wikipedia guidelines.  I am not a spammer or a marketer.  I am a writer by trade and started my Wikipedia postings with a company that is familiar to me.  It is clear to me now how my articles may have been perceived and I am working to correct them.  Please accept and pass along my apologies and understand that my errors were not intentional.--Jason! (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Mobile Entree article has been rewritten to remove any promotional content. References by reliable, independent, secondary sources have been provided as references to establish notability.  Additionally, the article has been rewritten is from a third party perspective and contains verifiable references that would be useful to a software developer.  Please also note that, ...smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations. Respectfully, --Jason! (talk) 16:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - If you aren't attempting to promote, I apologize, but you should understand how it can look when all of a person's edits act to promote a single entity. In any event, you should see WP:RS to get a feel for what a reliable source is that can help verify the notability of this product. Note that the sole reference that you've provided so far looks to be a blog, not a legitimate news source. This is the problem I ran into when trying to find reliable sources to show notability, there just doesn't seem to be any out there. If this software is new then don't worry, if it is successful it may become notable in time and when that occurs an article can be created then. Keep in mind I don't find fault with the way you've created the article, you've done a good job, it's the subject itself that I object to. --  At am a chat
 * Reply - I have retooled the H3 Solutions and Mobile Entree articles in hopes of achieving the Wikipedia standards as well as your guidelines. It is very clear to me the perception of edits towards a single entity and I have done my best to correct the appearance of promoting edits for the articles.  For those mistakes I apologize as it was not my intent.  It is my hope that the new revisions meet with your expectations so that I can move on to other articles within Wikipedia - these two are giving me a headache - but I need to protect my journalistic integrity. Respectfully --Jason! (talk) 18:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Both articles (H3 Solutions and Mobile Entree) have been augmented with reference sources that validate notability per Wikipedia administrator recommendations. Additionally, any(all) promotional references have been removed.  Thank you for the opportunity to update.--Jason! (talk) 19:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - I'm actually familiar with the references you provided on the H3 page, and considered them before I even proposed the initial deletion. I'll address each one. The first reference is a press release, which isn't a reliable source. The second is just a listing on the German Microsoft site. The last four are blogs, which aren't reliable sources unless part of a major news organization (a blog at the New York Times for example could be a reliable source). I'm sorry if this seems like such a pain, I've had many articles deleted that I spent a lot of time on and it took me awhile to understand the criteria for inclusion. In this case, WP:RS states that an article must have significant coverage in reliable sources. That means more than one source (generally news sources/magazines are best for software) has to cover it in-depth, and the policy gives examples of what are considered reliable sources. If you can find something better than what we have now then I'd change my mind, and keep in mind I'm just a regular editor like you. This deletion discussion has just begun and other people haven't put in their opinion yet. Someone might disagree with me. --  At am a chat 19:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete for nonnotability, but without prejudice. If product become notable and industry-referenced, would support a keep.--AuthorityTam (talk) 20:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I was asked to write this article on behalf of the company and performed quite a bit of research before publishing which is why I am defending it so strongly. All of the administrator and user notes I am taking to heart and doing my best to satisfy.  This morning I reached out to a colleague at the NY Times for comment that I am hopeful will help in the defense of this entry.  Additionally, I have been told by the company (H3 Solutions) that Microsoft Press will be releasing some news regarding Mobile Entree next month.  Both of those sources should, I hope, be notable enough to keep the entry.  Finally, I have informed the management of H3 Solutions regarding the Wikipedia administrator thoughts and they are reaching out to their customer and software developer community to weigh in on this discussion. Respectfully --Jason! (talk) 14:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.