Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mocha Joe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 01:26, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Mocha Joe

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There seems to be no implication of notability of this fictional character apart from the statement that he "first appeared in the notable tenth episode of the seventh season of the American situation comedy Curb Your Enthusiasm episode...". I furthermore have BLP concerns as the article states that "Mocha Joe is a parody of famed celebrity barista Jeremy Gursey..." however provides no references to back this claim up (furthermore, a google search revealed no reliable sources that states this either). Also note that the first reference has nothing to do with the episode, the second is a broken link, and the third is just the IMDB page of the epiosde. Aka042 (talk) 21:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC) (ref-) As for the link to the possible parody of the famed Barista Jeremy Gursey, it was easily found on Google. In fact on the first page I searched. The page not only makes mention of his work for not only movie sets but also TV sets including Seinfeld, but has a video of still pictures and there is indeed a resemblance to "Mocha Joe". (ref-. It took but 5 minutes to find sources online. If I had more time I could find even more. The Mocha Joe article is no less worthy of a place in Wikipedia than are a multitude of articles. Umihime (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)User: Umihime
 * Delete. Nothing seems to make him particularly noteworthy of a 'character study' in Wikipedia. I could find no dedicated 'character studies' of him anywhere else, let alone from reliable sources. Scott P. (talk) 23:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Do not Delete The noteworthiness of the "seinfeld" episode in which "Mocha Joe" makes his debut is sen in the ratings for the episode. The show had ratings unprecedented for the series during the "Seinfeld" episode.
 * Comment: Note that your second link does not explicitly state any relationship to the character on the Curb episode (as far as I could tell)...Synthesis is to be avoided when writing articles on wikipedia, along with WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS arguments in afd discussions. --Aka042 (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. A minor character in a cable sitcom that doesn't enjoy significant notability away from the series itself. If you need to keep, merge and redirect it to the article List of Curb Your Enthusiasm recurring roles. But a stand alone article? Nope. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I had originally set out to do this (merge) but then realized it did not make sense because as far as I could tell, Mocha Joe does not even seem to be a recurring character (was just in the season finale episode). --Aka042 (talk) 23:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  03:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete or Merge per Niteshift. I wouldn't merge, but if someone decides to, I don't have issue with it. Doc Quintana (talk) 03:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Move/redirect to Jeremy Gursey (which appears to be the real subject of the article), and then reevaluate whether Gursey meets WP:N (which I'm skeptical of, but is barely within the realm of possibility). THF (talk) 05:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, very minor character. I would support merging to List of Curb Your Enthusiasm recurring roles with a note that he never actually recurred, or, better, changing that article to List of Curb Your Enthusiasm characters.  Basically, Mocha Joe is a character so minor he doesn't even fit into the list of minor CYE characters.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 06:27, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * merge to the episode. A separate article here is not even remotely sensible.    DGG ( talk ) 23:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Seinfeld (Curb Your Enthusiasm) Not notable enough for his own article. And he doesn't qualify as a recurring character, since he hasn't recurred.  Relevant information can be placed in the article.  ~ DC (Talk&#124;Edits) 05:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to the episode's article, and add any relevant information there. Character appears to be minor and doesn't merit inclusion in the list of recurring characters until he appears in more than one episode.   Cocytus   [»talk«]  16:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.