Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohamed Omar Dubad


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The result was keep. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Mohamed Omar Dubad

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Somali politician and diplomat, previously deprodded by. This article is unverifiable, failing WP:V. The one cited source is a dead link. Google finds something on a blog that reads like an obituary written by his family, but that's not a reliable source. Moreover, his notability is not clear. He was supposedly a member of parliament, which would make him notable, but even if that could be verified, Somalia is an anarchic, failed state fought over by many groups and regimes, and so it's not clear whether he was member of a parliament in any meaningful sense rather than just a pro forma member of some administration in exile. Add to that the generally promotional / obituary-like tone of the article, and I think it's clear that we should delete it until some good sources become available.  Sandstein  09:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:06, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:06, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:06, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Being an MP is always notable, and it is absurd to say that a national chargé d'affaires in the UN is unverifiable. The chaotic politics of Somalia is irrelevant. WP covers the world as it is. This should not be deleted with a check for sources in the country's own language, however difficult this may be to accomplish. And in fact, it is extremely easy, even in English: a search in Google under the individuals name gives a live version of the dead link in the article at . Total time spent: less than a minute.  DGG ( talk ) 18:52, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And another minute brings the expected additional source: an official UN yearbook   at . , please look at this again.  DGG ( talk ) 18:55, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, so what we can verify is that he was chargé d'affaires for Somalia. That isn't enough for notability and not enough to support an article. The awdalpress.com text can't be taken seriously as a reliable source, as it appears self-published: the site's "About" page reads, in its entirety: "The most trusted Somali News and analyze [sic] web site".   Sandstein   19:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Being an MP is absolutely unquestionably notable, regardless of whether you are in the Global South or not. Very disappointing that an experienced editor would provide such a poor rationale as suggesting a Member of Parliament from Somalia is not notable (in spite of the very clear policy at WP:NPOL) because it is an "anarchic, failed state" AusLondonder (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * How do you verify that he was an MP? Of which parliament?  Sandstein   19:23, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That is an important and legitimate point. The rationale appears brash to me though. If his status as an MP could be verified, would you still argue he was non-notable? You suggested you would. However, searches need to be conducted in Somali and Arabic. AusLondonder (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * As I wrote in the nomination, if he was a member of parliament, he's notable. That's not an issue. The issue is verifiability: We have one reliable source, cited above, stating that he existed and was a diplomat. There's nothing else we can say with certainty about him. We can't for instance verify that he was a MP, and that the body he might have been a member of was in fact a parliament in any meaningful sense. If he was, for instance, member of a parliament-in-exile, which may or may not have been elected by anybody, then his notability would be much more questionable. And the people who would need to make any necessary searches are those who want to keep the article, per WP:BURDEN.  Sandstein   07:15, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep, the TFG is the internationally recognized gov't of Somalia, and status as TFG diplomat easily verifiable; "Yusuf Omar Al Azhari, the replacement of Mohamed Omar Dubad in the post of TFG Ambassador to Geneva is also a Mejerteen.". --Soman (talk) 14:32, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as a member of a national legislature. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Which legislature? Verified how?  Sandstein   15:08, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


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