Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohamed Ramadan (footballer)


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The result was   keep. The Bushranger One ping only 07:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Mohamed Ramadan (footballer)

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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG Reckless182 (talk) 06:41, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: The write of the article insists that he has made an apperance for Helsingborg in Allsvenskan by providing this reference, however according to the Swedish FA in this reference he has not made any appearances. I do believe that the first reference is unreliable and that we should trust the Swedish FA on this.--Reckless182 (talk) 06:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Have a look on the right hand the the screen, says he has one appearance in the Allsvenskan..."Totalt antal allsvenska matcher innan säsongen: 1".Simione001 (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - He has made one appearance in the Allsvenskan on 9 May 2011 for Helsingborgs IF against Gefle IF coming off the bench in the 86th minute he therefore passes WP:NFOOTBALL.Simione001 (talk) 06:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Struway2 (talk) 07:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. The player has indeed made one five-minute substitute appearance in Allsvenskan, as the Swedish FA confirms here. I'm reluctant to !vote Keep for a 2-line article about a player with 5 minutes in a fully professional league with no evidence supplied of passing GNG, but technically he does pass NFOOTBALL. Perhaps the creator might want to replace the string of references in the article, some of which are unreliable sources e.g. transfermarkt, football-lineups, with a reference to one reliable one? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I Have got a link to the Swedish FA website listed in the references.Simione001 (talk) 07:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - GNG trumps NFOOTBALL; 5 mins as a 'professional' does not infer notability. GiantSnowman 08:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 5 minutes or 90 minutes, the fact remains that he passes NFOOTBALL therefore the article should stay.Simione001 (talk) 08:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - if a player can pass NFOOTBALL but then still have to pass GNG anyway, then what is the point of NFOOTBALL even existing.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. The player passes WP:NFOOTBALL, as clarified above, and having had a look for news sources, as opposed to statistical, there's a reasonable amount around. Like other specific notability guidelines, WP:NFOOTBALL is supposed to provide a bright line above which the subject is likely to meet the GNG. Having looked for sources, I'm convinced that in this case the guideline is working properly. If the article had remained for years as a two-line sub-stub with no sources other than stats listings, it might be a different matter.
 * As an aside, a player with five minutes in the English fourth division, whether the only sources presented were routine local-paper stuff, statistical, or whatever, almost certainly wouldn't be AfD'd, but if such a thing did happen, the result would be a pile-on keep. Why would five minutes in the English fourth division count for less more than five minutes for the Swedish champions in the Swedish top flight? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:33, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Does the person who sings the National Anthem qualify under WP:NFOOTBALL & WP:GNG? In both cases they are off the bench, and spend at least 5 minutes on the professional field with the players who are in uniform.  Sounds very similar here. Яεñ99 (talk) 10:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This discussion is in relation to a sports person.Simione001 (talk) 11:44, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Passing one notability-guideline is enough to have an article. I'm not against revamping the subject relevant guideline, but until we do we should follow it. I've added two sentances of sourced information, to make the article closer on passing GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
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