Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohamed Wisham


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is substantial evidence regarding UPE impacting this deletion discussion. Therefore when weighing consensus I have only considered the arguments of users who have shown an interest in multiple topics (which includes this article's creator). Among these editors there is clear consensus that this person does not meet any of our notability guidelines and that there is a consensus to delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Mohamed Wisham

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The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NPEOPLE:WP:BASIC. The subject lacks multiple independent secondary sources providing significant coverage. Per WP:SIGCOV: ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail". WP:BEFORE revealed nothing that would contribute to demonstrating WP:N.  // Timothy ::  talk  07:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  07:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maldives-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy ::  talk  10:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The subject is an individual from the Maldives. Not from Moldova. (Existance Leesaaisath) —Preceding undated comment added 08:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete considering how hard it is to actually get articles on every person who has headed a national level ministry, all of whom are by default notable, I see no reason to create an article on some random advisor to some ministry.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * KeepThe subject is an individual from the Maldives. Not from Moldova. Timothy Thanks for correcting it.

1. Link with local Language name in google. You can find enough links as per guidelines.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&biw=1366&bih=664&ei=8KgxX9btB-2tytMPx82e-Ac&q=%DE%91%DE%83.%DE%89%DE%AA%DE%80%DE%A6%DE%87%DE%B0%DE%89%DE%A6%DE%8B%DE%AA+%DE%88%DE%A8%DE%9D%DE%A7%DE%89%DE%B0&oq=%DE%91%DE%83.%DE%89%DE%AA%DE%80%DE%A6%DE%87%DE%B0%DE%89%DE%A6%DE%8B%DE%AA+%DE%88%DE%A8%DE%9D%DE%A7%DE%89%DE%B0&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1DzbFjzbGCCcmgAcAB4AIABpwKIAbIEkgEDMi0ymAEAoAECoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjWpaiAuJHrAhXtlnIEHcemB38Q4dUDCAs&uact=5

2. Link in goole English search. You can find enough links as per guidelines.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dr+mohamed+wisham&client=firefox-b-d&ei=XqkxX5fyPK6uytMPwaG92A4&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiXmZe1uJHrAhUul3IEHcFQD-s4ChDy0wN6BAgLECs&biw=1366&bih=664

Everyone, feel free to insert your constructive thoughts after research, This was the first among the researches I have done. I hope this is a good contribution to Wikipedia. bless you all. Existance Leesaaisath — Note to closing admin: Leesaaisath (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * Keep as per sources I just cited. I can see that the person is featured in almost all major local news in the Maldives. Sun.mv, Mihaaru.com, raajje.mv, psmnews.mv and avas.mv. plus in some regional news papers. Meets WP:GNG. 42.106.218.40 (talk) 18:58, 11 August 2020 (UTC) — 42.106.218.40 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep. No reasonable substantive argument made for deletion The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.  Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong! (talk) 01:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The news sources the subject is cited are prominent news sources in Maldives from what I see. I see that from the old news paper Haveeru Online, more than 2 articles on the subject. This one covers the subject per WP:GNG possibly. Msgelhorn (talk) 11:07, 15 August 2020 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Msgelhorn (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed.  GSS should I not vote? I put vote in three pages. No one pays me here in wikipedia. Please tell me if I have done any mistake. Can I edit now? Msgelhorn (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete A non-notable individual has never been elected to office so fails WP:NPOL, no notable work done by him in the field of medicine or journalism. All in all fails WP:GNG and does not warrant a standalone article on Wikipedia. - FitIndia  Talk Admin on Commons 12:24, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete undisclosed paid-for spam with no significant coverage in third party reliable sources and none of the current sources meet GNG. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 12:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete ignoring the obvious SPAs and paid for votes here, this doesn't hold up. It's nothing but paid for spam without a lick of meaningful in depth coverage. Praxidicae (talk) 12:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment : Dear All, Please refrain from noting my actions as being paid. It is not nor I will be part of it. I have asked to look to local papers and give your genuine comment. I am very discouraged at the moment. I would not be participating in any of such things, Since I was aiming to be a long standing contributor since I am journalsit. I will now ease to use wikipedia, since this does not look good for my ambitions here. I was trying to help and created many articles from maldives. Thank you (Existance Leesaaisath 12:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC))
 * Comment : I have also previously, when I found it difficult to get these local websites to be marked as sources, I have stated in the wikiproject Maldives. I would like the admins and sernior editors to look into this in future. If these are to be the end product of the work, it will hard to populate wikipedia maldives. (Existance Leesaaisath 12:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC))
 * Draftify based on the comments above, I'd like to change my vote to Draftify. The creator is a new editor and still learning and sending this to drafts will give them an opportunity to work on it with a mentor (I've suggested this to them). There may very well be local language Maldivian sources that show notability that we are unaware of. We lack editors from this part of the world and with these language skills and it would be a plus for the encyclopedia if this new editor could be retained and improved by mentoring. Many people at AfD have wished they could ask for input from someone that speaks an uncommon language and here we may have this kind of resource. Nothing is hurt by sending this to Draft, while something could well be gained. Thanks for your consideration.  // Timothy ::  talk  14:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: To all who contributed here, Thank you. It shows me the level of dedication and rules we have here, its great to know that. I have had admins and users giving me strength here, Thank you. Since we have all of us, and important people's attention, I want this piece of contribution here to help us all to make Wikipedia better.

About this subject, I will start with an example. This Link https://archive.mv/dv/articles/j5mnE Please have a thorough look at it. Many may not understand but if looked clearly will see; You can note A. The subject's name in local language in many recurrences. B. Note that it was long time back. C. Stated in Haveeru_Daily, which was then No.1 In Maldives. D. If you can read you will know its by the Office of the President who sanctioned the subject work, if someone writes by their own on such level, it will be criminal.

This is one sample I took from google search. From what I have read as GNG rules, it fits from one article itself.

Since I was asked about elected posts, I cannot in English verify much, but here is a try. For ex: This subject was elected to the highest body of doctors in Maldives 2014 http://mma.org.mv/. Please have a search on (January 2014 archive) and the Care_Society board, which is largest and oldest NGO in Maldives and elected by a general assembly open to public.

and the subject's local name (as written in article in dhivehi), search in google, it shows many of the secondary sources by major news sources about the subject's stand and advice to medical issues, emergencies and healthcare reform work in different timelines.(There is a lot to write to explain every link, So I will stop it here for users to look into them by themselves).

The discussion about this subject in my interest; is not for the person individually, but the system we are trying to address. I have many articles about individuals in Maldives I am actually researching and excited about.

Ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyas_Ibrahim

This is one of the most prominent person in "history" of Maldives Politics itself. But I could not find any englsih literature to put up about the person, have only local pieces. And in that page page I have highlighted "Mohamed Waheed"; is the honored Governor of the Southern Region for 3 decades and developed every island in Huvadhu_Atoll. I could not find any literature on him either in English, but just two photos. We need to populate Wikipedia Maldives, we need to build a system to understand this literature of Maldives and its news sources to get this loop fixed.

Many of the Maldivian mainstream media never tries to put up on English publishing as a priority unless there are other international agendas or payments. I understand that too since the country is small and circulation is small, thus overhead is difficult to balance. But it hampers the reality too, self promotion for can effect strict and great sources like Wikipedia.

We need some of us who can read and identify the media sphere of Maldives and Identity the major sources. I have in-depth knowledge of the media and news, But I will need a lot of help from admins and senior editors to bring a consensus, so we can make new additions of Maldives related articles.

About the paid things accusations, I am still not in peace with it, admins and users please investigate and find who is doing this on this article since I dont have any interest in media citations that aren't credible. I have removed sources that aren't Maldivian.

Thank you User:Praxidicae User:Woodlot User:AleatoryPonderings and specially User:TimothyBlue and User:CaptainEek for making me want to write this, those were nice stuff you guys did, it was cool. Existance Leesaaisath 23:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: I am not a wiki editor, but could not resist saying something after seeing this on this persons page. The news papers I see are mostly main maldives papers. I know Dhivehi language and I can confirm that the person is portrayed in the articles this creator is showing in the google link. I dont know the rules here but maybe this information can matter.196.152.75.255 (talk) 23:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC) — 196.152.75.255 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep.. He is a common face in every crisis. A respected and listened person for his actions on cases of abuse on women and children. It's maldives news and it's him referred in them. Write and memorialize men & women like this than the dirty politicians who abused ministry female staff and used the state money in COVID19. I am sure many child & women abusers will hate him. You do not see much news on people like this because many Maldivian editors abuse women. https://raajje.mv/84245 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waqar88n (talk • contribs) 00:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)  — Waqar88n (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note to closing admin: Please note that there is a case of undisclosed paid editing and paid votes so, please contact one of OTRS agents for more information. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 04:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails the notability guidelines for politicians and the GNG guidelines. I don't think drafting would be worth it, because it will likely just be AfDed again, if it even passes AfC, and rightly so IMO. Hopefully it doesn't discourage the person who created it from writing other articles on more notable subjects though. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * comment: Thank you for your thoughts. Again, I wonder why again and again I have been labelled as paid to or I pay people, it is SAD. I Dont know why people are doing this and that. Anyone who wants to comment (Positive or negative) against WIKIPEDIA rules up on the PAGE, please refrain from making a mess of this article and username I use here (thats not fair). GSS &#x202F;&#128172; since your on ORTS, rather than putting me in this bad image, can you or others who are admins please find whats going on and block who ever is responsible and refrain labeling me as doing this and that.

Regarding the Guidelines, once again its not about justifying this article, after reading the guidelines in detail apart from WP:GNG, WP:BASIC is met, if you read the articles in the google in local language you will know. Please check in detail. Also I urge the admins to end this fast so no more comments on my authenticity will come. Existance Leesaaisath 11:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep My advice is GSS, Tit-for-tat will drive more attention, plus will discourage people to contribute. Best way would be to keep silent and do what you want to do. This is an interesting situation. Who among you can read any of the articles listed? Who can discredit the news sources listed? Guys! can you read a sentence or a paragraph of the links in question? If not than you are not helping Wikipedia or should weigh your opinion. I used to contribute in free time. But I got situations as this and stopped because I lost the drive. I vote keep: Because this is not what Wikipedia is about and I can see the contributor is showing over 10 credible local references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.231.29.107 (talk) 14:13, 19 August 2020 (UTC)  — 43.231.29.107 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete: On the contrary, the nom's made several substantive arguments for deletion -- if one disagrees with them, it'd be helpful to state why and based upon what evidence. For my part, sigcov just isn't there.  No prejudice against userfying it.   Ravenswing      16:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

1. Haveeru Daily (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haveeru_Daily is the most prominent published and online source until it was abolished) 2. The most prominent source in Maldives. https://sun.mv/ 3. The second most prominent source in Maldives now, https://mihaaru.com/ 4. The next https://raajje.mv/ 5. And there are others too.
 * Reply: Thanks   Ravenswing   for asking. If you see the newspapers and their levels of prominence in Maldives.

But Have a look at this few news papers by yourself and explain to me if they aren't credible. And about coverage, teach me how to understand it, since its about the subject and if we look in any angle it meets WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. So, tell me what is the part I dont understand, did you read the Haveeru Daily article? Apart from going deep, that one source justifies this. I think it can help too. Guide me on this please. Thanks Existance Leesaaisath 00:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

*keep Editors; look to things in positive way. Looking to the smallest of mistakes or rules to destroy things is counter productive anywhere. Cannot see reasons this should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.195.218.67 (talk) 18:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Those papers here are our country's major news websites. Here is another article related to this person that is not mentioned in sources. https://raajje.mv/77794 posted on 09 May 2020. I can vouch for the authenticity of the newspaper as a major online publication in Maldives. Unless a good explanation is given to delete this page. Good research.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.94.93.15 (talk) 15:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=C31BX-jSLJaGwPAPk_ul-A4&q=major+maldives+news+papers&oq=major+maldives+news+papers&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIICCEQFhAdEB46BAgAEEc6BggAEAcQHjoECAAQDToICAAQCBAHEB46BggAEAgQHjoGCAAQFhAeOgQIIRAKULdtWIGfAWCwoAFoAXABeACAAV6IAdUJkgECMTWYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiohLGy0K_rAhUWAxAIHZN9Ce8Q4dUDCAs&uact=5

Wow!!!! haven't seen this good an argument. From what I see, this dude is there on many of the established sources in Maldives. I am surprised this thread has survived this long given the character of some editors. Nice example of few editors in WIKIPEDIA interpreting the rules as they want and belittle newbies. LOTSS of respect to the Editor who nominated this article, and later changed his stand in the face of more details. The outcome is going to be very useful to understand how the AFD's are treated for small countries. Eager to see the outcome. The votes Dont matter. The reasons and RULES DOES. JAI HIND WIKIPEDIA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.77.16.66 (talk) 21:22, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * To All: It is clear that some of the people here have previous experience in Wikipedia. Please refrain from expressing personal thoughts here. This is a page created with research and time. I ask all to respect guidelines and not use this page for other purposes. I ask to give constructive comments and under the guidelines of wikipedia. This page is now longer than the article. What if this energy was used to create another article. I have decided to not comment here further and GSS, your a senior editor who contributed here, I respect your work, your edit summery note on 19th August 2020, (→‎Mohamed Wisham:  Oh man... another SPA), the wording itself was the final straw for me to confirm that Wikipedia is not for me. Noting this is a paid edit has made it difficult since my real name and namesake is easy to recognize, and people who visited the page would have a negative opinion on me on real world. I have repeatedly asked to check what is happening and I got no reply from. It also keeps a negative tag on the user in the future to be able to be trusted with more responsibilities. Existance Leesaaisath 07:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


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