Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammad Al Subail


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Mohammad Al Subail

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Subject does not pass WP:GNG or WP:SNG. Sources are all notices of his death. Only assertions of notability are surviving a terrorist attack, serving on religious committees, had a handful of famous students.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 23:08, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Islam,  and Saudi Arabia.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 23:08, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep he was imam for decades of the most prominent mosque in the world and a key theological authority e.g. --Jahaza (talk) 04:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * His name comes up once in this book so I don't know if it would really pass WP:SIGCOV, as for the newspaper article it doesn't really tell us anything about him other then he died so I don't think it's really helping the article here. But there might be some non-english sources that I can't access which could be helpful. If we can find them over the next week or so and clean this article up I'll withdraw this AfD nomination as a Speedy Keep.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 06:24, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dr vulpes, This source does give us some details about him. He spent his life in the service of Islam, the king and the country as a former preacher and imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah, President General of the Affairs of the Grand Mosque and the Prophet's Mosque, member of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars and as a member of the Islamic jurisprudence complex as well as many other achievements. That's why I say, his imam-ship at the Masjid al-Haraam makes him notable in his subjective field. He has been quoted in this book, The Future of Islam by John Esposito. There should be something more. ─ The Aafī   (talk)  13:58, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have also been able to locate a lengthy article about him in Daily Jang, a well known Pakistani newspaper. This and all the other coverage put together inclines towards passing GNG. ─ The Aafī   (talk)  14:02, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * His religious edicts have also been quoted at other places, for example, this from 263rd issue of an Urdu journal called Muhaddith, published from Lahore, Pakistan. ─ The Aafī   (talk)  14:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as noted above. His imam-ship at the Masjid al-Haraam makes him notable and widely recognized in his subjective fields. ─  The Aafī   (talk)  06:16, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Ok so we have a fatawa calling Ghulam Ahmed Parvez an atheist, a notice that he died, and a single line in a book saying it's wrong to kill people from Israel. Am I reading this correctly? Am I missing something here? Are there any interviews with him? Articles about his readings of the Quran? Articles about his work in the community? The article on his passing is pretty good but we need more to establish WP:GNG  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 08:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The article from Arab News gives us pretty much details, which I'd deem as significant, and the Urdu article from Daily Jang is definitely significant; and both of these are independent and reliable in my opinion. I'm not saying this is enough but if we include all the other little coverage with this - it definitely inclines towards GNG. I was able to find a detailed biography of him that discusses his works in detail but I'm not sure who is the author, it could be someone from his family too. I do not know Arabic very much. Nonetheless, his imam-ship at the Masjid al-Haraam is a borderline notability case for me, and I'm still in favour of keep. I'm not on my system and not in a position to dig more but I'd surely give more tries to this after Wednesday. ─ The Aafī on Mobile   (talk)|undefined  05:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as Jahaza describe above. He was notable imam. Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 13:34, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


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