Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammad Alavi (game developer)


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The result was   keep. No prejudice towards a merge discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Mohammad Alavi (game developer)

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A game developer is not inherently notable for doing the work he is paid to do. This game developer developed a game with an unpleasant, perhaps notorious, scene it it, but that of itself does not render him notable. WP:BLP1E applies for this item. The scene might render the game itself notable, but the developer does not inherit notability from the product. A number of the sources in the article are, at best, questionable with regard to WP:RS Fiddle   Faddle  13:02, 17 August 2013 (UTC) Clarification of nomination to be clear, my nomination means that I believe the subject does not pass BLP1E. Fiddle  Faddle  08:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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 * Merge all relevant info to Controversies surrounding Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Borderline, but I personally think it fails WP:BLP1E. Roughly half the sources are WP:PRIMARY, most of the rest focus on that one thing, the only source that potentially talks about him in more depth is in print only and in Persian, so I can't judge it. Ansh666 19:53, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 *  Delete  per WP:NOTINHERITED and no other reason for passing WP:GNG has been given. Almost all sources are directory entries, not about the person or primary/self-published. I guess the Persian book would count for WP:GNG, but it's still just one. Even with more sources, the content would not warrant a split from the main article(s). — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per sources below. Still very centered on 1EVENT but at least other aspects are mentioned now. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom Kabirat (talk) 06:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep for now. Nominator's text of nomination seems logical but I don't know how it applies to this person or other people whom I know to have articles. For instance, same pretext seems to apply to Mark Russinovich and Richard Stallman, as they are only famous for one event and what they do as their jobs. J. K. Rowling and J. R. R. Tolkien are not even famous for one event, but for a series of books. (This person has also developed a series of video games.) So, I am really confused. I read WP:BLPNOTE and it says "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." This article seems to fit this description. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 08:47, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't want to argue too much, but it doesn't fit -- the only reliable?, secondary, independent, significant coverage source is the Persian book and marginally the Kotaku piece. Others talk about the game, the mission, the reception. The designer is not the subject of these articles, and the brief focus between the lines on him is not significant coverage. They don't discuss his past, his influences, his work other than this one COD mission. This is (for now) a typical WP:1EVENT. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Your argument is at very least fathomable, not to mention that it is standalone, as opposed to a defense of the nomination. I can see that the sheer amount of coverage on one of the people that I mentioned outweighs Alavi's one to million. Perhaps it is because Iranians neglect to cover their notable citizens as broadly as Americans and the British do but again, I am definitely not feeling eligible to say whether Wikipedia should lower the bar for them or it is their fault. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 14:05, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. I wouldn't create this article if I was not sure it met notability criterias. He's not a WP:1EVENT person. He had a major role in creation of some of Call of Duty Series' titles. Alongside designing "Call of Duty’s most controversial moment" (acording to PC Gamer), He is responsible for some of the most intense and memorable campaign levels in Call Of Duty history" (per Edge). He has made a significant contribution to AI system in one of the titles in the series, and has designed more than 10 levels in the series, some of them are notable (Such as "Red Army Training", "Crew Expendable", "All Ghillied Up", etc.) and have won significant critical attention by reliable resources. According to WP:CREATIVE, he's notable. I've also added some new secondary sources to the article. Unfortunatly, I don't have much time to improve this article for now, but I'm sure I'll find many resources about his works. PC Gamer had published a 10-page section about his mod too, when he was not a proffessional. If anyone can help me to find it in the archives, I would be much grateful. Pahlevun (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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