Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammad Alavi (game developer) (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  04:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Mohammad Alavi (game developer)
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Article topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) The developer is best known for a part of a game known as "No Russian" and is covered by name in the article recently created on the subject. (It would be a suitable redirect, if this needs one.) The rest of this article is strung together from mentions and lots of primary sources. The individual is not independently notable from No Russian based on the depth of the sourcing (WP:BLP1E). czar 22:59, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  czar  23:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep. This is a biography article and the subject meets two criterias cited in WP:CREATIVE:
 * 3. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film or of... multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
 * 4. The person's work (or works)... has won significant critical attention.

References cited in the article are reliable and independent. Alongside "No Russian", creations like "All Ghillied Up" and "Crew Expendable" have recieved significant coverage and critical attention. He has been described as: One of his works is notable enough to have a separate article. (Criteria 4)
 * PC Gamer: "the designer behind two of the most acclaimed missions in Call of Duty history". (Criteria 3)
 * Edge: "responsible for some of the most intense and memorable campaign levels in Call Of Duty history". (Criteria 3)
 * PC Gamer: "As Call of Duty continues its attempts at reinvention. adding exosuits and singleplayer upgrades, it’s worth reflecting on how much Alavi’s grandest efforts achieve with comparatively little". (Criteria 3)
 * PC Gamer: "bears much responsibility for the fact that Titanfall has a narrative component at all". (Criteria 3)

Some review on his other works: Pahlevun (talk) 15:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * See Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered's 'Crew Expendable' in action (Criteria 4)
 * Why Modern Warfare's 'All Ghillied Up' Is One Of Gaming's Best Levels? (Criteria 4)
 * Why All Ghillied Up Is The Best Call Of Duty Mission Ever? (Criteria 4)
 * All Ghillied Up made it all the way to number 13 on IGN's Top 100 Video Game Moments (Criteria 4)
 * Top 50 Gaming Moments: 20. The 'All Ghillied Up' Mission In Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Criteria 4)
 * Titanfall Review: Hate The Story, Not The Game (Criteria 4)
 * Opinion: Titanfall's campaign failed to draw me into its universe (Criteria 4)
 * Those links are about games on which Alavi worked, along with other devs. He is best known for No Russian, which has its own page. The question is whether Alavi is independently notable from that creation so as to warrant his own page, and based on the sourcing, he is not covered in significant depth apart from No Russian. The whole "creative" criteria is secondary to the general notability guideline and the depth of coverage on the developer himself. Everything else you've cited is a passing mention and the interviews are not from reliable sources. If anything, those snippets show that he should be mentioned in the Call of Duty series article, not that there is enough reliable, independent coverage for a separate article. czar  17:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and they are reviews about his works, other than No Russian, that you claim is his only covered work. An architect can be notable simply because his works are important, just like a game developer with several important works. Pahlevun (talk) 18:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The difference is whether the developer gets coverage independent of the reviews. Interviews from unreliable sources don't count towards that. If he passed the "creative" guidelines, he'd have no problem getting that coverage. As it stands, he is covered as an entity within the scope of existing articles. czar  20:04, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I haven't gone over the references yet, but do note, that per WP:INHERIT, notability for articles can't be inherited. Alavi has to be notable by himself, not for his work. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:20, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that creative professionals can be deemed as notable per their works. Check out WP:CREATIVE. North America1000 06:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. North America1000 06:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep strictly there are numerous independent and important citations like Kotaku . he is well-known in his field in Iran and world of specialist developers, i read references and those are enough referable for the article .  Amir   Muhammad  15:45, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


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