Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammad Kouhestani


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 18:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Mohammad Kouhestani

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Iranian futsal player who fails GNG, NFOOTY and NSPORTS BlameRuiner (talk) 07:18, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Just ' i ' yaya  10:59, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  Just ' i ' yaya  10:59, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:22, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 14:23, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:12, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Please be patient and stop the progress of deleting this page because of this reasons:There are some sources which will prove that Mohammad Kouhestani deserves a Wikipedia page.some of this sources are written in the article.

Mohammad Kouhestani is a professional futsal player who has a history of being a member of the Iranian national futsal team. You can search for his name on the reputable site of Futsal Planet! He has also played in the Iranian Futsal Super League for many years. In my opinion, he is famous enough. Pournia 16:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please can you provide some of these sources showing significant coverage? Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:36, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment So this sportsman has played international futsal for Iran, I am somewhat confused, does that not count as being notable for GNG? I assume those in the sport and Iranian sport that this player is notable, however I am confused by the lack of from the nomination. I would need a better reason for deletion other than straight up policy delete argument. Govvy (talk) 16:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * He would need to have significant coverage to pass GNG. It's possible that, because he is an international futsal player, he may have achieved such coverage but none of the 6 references currently in the article demonstrate this. Futsal players don't have an SNG so the caps for Iran don't make this automatically notable. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That is the highest level of the futsal game, playing international football, and #1 of WP:NFOOTBALL, Players who have played in, competitive senior international match. Forgive me, but surely this player actually passes #1 ? Found one English article here, it's unclear if he played at the 2016 AFC Futsal Championship after the article, there is no name for him as a scorer anywhere, however, it says 3 goals for the Iranian team, which is clear, which means he has play those games. There seems to be primary source erosion on many Futsal articles. He was in the squad for the tournament, there is still an language barrier problem, but to me, he probably does pass GNG in Iranian sources. I am just having a hard time with those to find. I don't consider this article a delete. Govvy (talk) 12:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Futsal's inclusion in NSPORTS has barely ever been discussed. I found one discussion here but little else. Hopefully someone with skills in Persian will see this AfD and be able to confirm whether he meets GNG or not. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:45, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * After reading that short discussion, it just felt like bias over the two different footy sports. It's clear to me, that Futsal needs some better cover in NFOOTBALL, but that's a different discussion. Govvy (talk) 12:38, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Bobherry  Talk   Edits  03:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - as can be seen from discussion above, there is no current accepted SNG for futsal players, therefore, they all need to meet WP:GNG. Whilst playing for Iran might provide a weak presumption of notability, because this article has been sent to AfD, I believe we need to see some concrete evidence of WP:GNG rather than just a weak presumption that some such coverage might exist. The coverage cited in the article is all routine. Persian League is just a stats page on the association for the league, which every futsal player will have. Futsal Casa is a tiny transfer announcement, which never counts towards notability in any AfD. We then have another stats page with no content. Press TV then has a passing mention in a squad list, not significant at all. 2020news provides the best coverage, however, the article is just one long quote from him with very little in the way of independent content or analysis so, at best, it might count as half a source towards GNG. The last source is a Futsal Planet stats page. Searching "Mohammad Kouhestani" in English yields nothing, of course, but even searching "محمدحسین کوهستانی" yields very little. The hits are all just trivial mentions like Isna and Qom News. Again, these sorts of passing trivial mentions never count towards GNG regardless of whether the sportsperson has played at an international level. If you scroll through the archives of sportspeople AfDs, you will see many sportspeople being deleted despite representing their country at some sort of level. Even WP:NOLY now requires the sportsperson to win a medal at the Olympics rather than just compete. For that reason, I don't think simply representing Iran at futsal is enough to qualify in absence of meeting any other Wikipedia guideline. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - fails mete GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minavahid (talk • contribs) 23:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.