Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammed Al-Ashwal


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The result was no consensus. Daniel (talk) 12:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Mohammed Al-Ashwal

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Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. It could be speculated also that Mohammed Al-Ashwal seems to of created the page about himself as this is Msh022000's only contribution to wikipedia in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yinglong999 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2021 March 7.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 02:52, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete fails GNG. SK2242 (talk) 06:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Yemen-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:04, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep As a two time medalist at the world championships, I believe it's been shown that he has successfully competed at the highest level of his sport. I believe that meets the intent of WP:NSPORT and clearly meets the notability criteria for martial artists (WP:MANOTE).  Although I don't speak or read Arabic, I think it's reasonable to believe that plenty of coverage could be found on him in Yemeni media. Papaursa (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Notability within the sport of wushu taolu/sanda is very difficult to define. It relies on a complicated combination of prestige within the sport in terms of victories or appearances, local or national media coverage, and a loosely defined oral tradition built by the community. Due to these factors, not all winners at the World Wushu Championships should be automatically assumed as being notable. Even some of the most renowned athletes at the WWC, Lindswell Kwok for example, have achieved much more general recognition outside of the wushu community from victories at the SEA Games and the Asiad, two competitions which some wushu practitioners view as having a higher level of prestige compared to the WWC (due to various complicated reasons). For athletes outside of Asia though (for example, taolu athletes Jade Xu and Daria Tarasova, and sanda athletes Cung Le and Muslim Salikhov), they owe their success exclusively to the WWC. Now after doing some research, I have learned that Mohammed Hussein Al-Ashwal has earned 2 out of the 3 medals Yemen has earned at the WWC, thus he is Yemen's most renowned wushu athlete. I could see a case for keeping because of this. Yinglong999 (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Consensus appears to be headed towards keep per nominators reply to Papaursa. Re-listing as further discussion seems likely to lead to a more clear consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:SPORTBASIC, as he has "participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level". SailingInABathTub (talk) 10:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


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