Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohsen Bouterfif


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete without prejudice against recreation as a redirect to a brief mention at Mohamed Bouazizior some other appropriate article. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Mohsen Bouterfif

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 * Delete Do we really need an article for every supposed copycat of Mohamed Bouazizi? Do self immolations get a free pass from WP:BLP1E concerns? This article, in its current form, contains exactly ONE sentence about this person. The rest of it refers to Bouazizi, the path of the Tunisian president and family, and other copycat incidents. There's nothing to work with here. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep . And you assume there will be nothing in the future as more details evolve? That is what the  is for. I really can not understand why you guys seem to enjoy AfD-ing current event aticles. This man is Algerian, as opposed to Boazizi who was Tunisian. That's like AfD-ing Vytautas Vičiulis of Lithuania because he was a copycat incident for Liviu Cornel Babeș's self-immolation in Romania and both were protesting their respective country's communist govenrment. They both have different governments and different grievances and reasons, just because it's a copycat incident does not mean it's exactly the same thing as the first incident (if that were the case we would all have already removed the individual articles on the U.S. school shootings). The Algerian riots have started long before Bouazizi died. And again can we please at least wait until we can actually determine if it deserves to be kept? Preferably after the incidents, the most you can get out of these lightning AfD's is that multiple instances of the article will be created and deleted again and again. Sorry, but I do believe these nominations have all been nothing but disruptive.--  Obsidi ♠ n Soul  22:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Ok now that sufficient time has passed and there doesn't seem to be any more info forthcoming, I amend my vote. I do strongly suggest not to AfD articles immediately after thay have been created especially in something that just happened. During this period it is still unclear whether or not it is notable especially since it is given quite significant news coverage. Even if this was a copycat, they are two different countries with different reasons, and two different instances of unrest before both their self-immolations. All foreign countries may look alike to you there, but they aren't. Putting an AfD tag on it is, to put it lightly, highly disruptive, as the AfD tag is very prominent. Like what happened when someone AfD'd Mohamed Bouazizi. Let the events that follow itself make the decision, an AfD discussion is redundant and crystal-ballish.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  21:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * unsure the article in its current state doesnt consitute much to warrant a separete article, HOWEVER the possibility exists because of notability. he was the FIRST copycat afterall.(Lihaas (talk) 11:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC));
 * Delete - most high-profile self-immolations are followed by numerous copycats. They are non-notable unless they spark something new and have consequences. So far nobody demonstrated that this incident is any different from other copycats. A simple mention in Mohamed Bouazizi would suffice. Renata (talk) 20:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge - This article and other copy-cat articles shoudl be merged into a new article about self-immolations in the Arab world. Perhaps in an article entitled List of 2011 self-immolations. This article] from two days ago puts the number of self-immolations at 10, and there was another one in Saudi Arabia reported today. The Mohsen Bouterfif article is well written and well sourced and it is only 91 words of text, so it would be an excellent start to a list. I know that some would argue that the List_of_political_self-immolations is sufficient, but there's more than 40 entries on that page there's no accompanying commentary explaining how certain self-immolations are connected politically. David Straub (talk) 11:54, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's an example of what a merged article could look like: Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident.David Straub (talk) 11:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait: I doubt Mr. Bouterfif needs a separate article - he's neither the first to do this in Algeria this year nor the first to die of it - but that depends on the response to his death (which only seems to have happened today) over the next week or two. - EmeutesAlgerie (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been more than a week since he died. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, the first report of his death was denied the next day. - EmeutesAlgerie (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The article notes his death as being 16 January 2011. If that's wrong, correct it. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per Renata. Diego Grez (talk) 02:53, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


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