Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moise Rimbon


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Moise Rimbon

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Fails WP:NMMA. Jakejr (talk) 03:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Jakejr (talk) 03:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA. --TreyGeek (talk) 03:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Notable enough fights for a number of notable promotions and against a slew of notable fighters, mostly wins. Sepulwiki (talk) 04:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Why are you creating your own criteria when WP:NMMA already exists? Jakejr (talk) 22:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:19, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA and WP:GNG. JadeSnake (talk) 07:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC) JadeSnake blocked as a sock of the blocked JonnyBonesJones.   ✍   Mtking  ✉ 07:27, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NMMA. --LlamaAl (talk) 17:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - So his 2 fights with a defunct top tier promotion and fight for K-1 the top kickboxing promotion in his kickboxing debut does not meet the notability guidelines? Not to mention almost half of his fights are with top tier promotion fighters. Sepulwiki (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - According to WP:Kickboxing any fighter who has fought for K-1 is notable. "it is presumed that a kickboxer is notable if he/she has competed in promotions K-1 and It's Showtime." It may be just one fight, but it meets their criteria for notability. Luchuslu (talk) 01:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Luchuslu. Meets kickboxer notability requirments PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Luchuslu. --LlamaAl (talk) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NMMA. I couldn't find any reliable sources to show he fought in K-1, although I did find a blog post about it.  More importantly, I don't think the kickboxer notability requirements can be used since it was the work of one person at the then "inactive" kickboxing group who put up a proposal for a few days and then entered it when there were no objections.  I don't think that's a "consensus" that can be used. Mdtemp (talk) 16:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment so now kickboxers are being put into the same consensus as WP:NMMA? That would mean every kickboxers article should now be deleted, unless of course they meet WP:NMMA. On a side note I think with the recent consensus being decided by users who have made every debate a democracy. After almost 5 years of editing MMA articles on Wikipedia I can honestly say I will no longer put forth any effort in helping the MMA project.
 * Anonymous poster, I believe you're misinterpreting Mdtemp's post. He's questioning the validity of the guidelines used.  He says nothing about kickboxers meeting MMA guidelines. Papaursa (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Bearing that in mind, every biography which does not meet WP:NMMA would be deleted. --LlamaAl (talk) 00:25, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment A "mixed martial arts" consensus should not apply to "kickboxing" articles. There is a huge difference between a "mixed martial artist" and a "kickboxer" for those wondering. I cant wait to see when one of the users run into a mixed martial artist with a above .500 record in professional boxing and nominate it for deletion because the professional boxer who just so happens to be a MMA fighter does not meet WP:NMMA.
 * Another anonymoust post. Sigh.  This discussion is on the martial arts AfD page, not just MMA.  I think Mdtemp has a valid point.  It's hard to see how notability guidelines that were posted on a user's page can be claimed to represent WP consensus  when it's also mentioned there were only 2 active participants for the kickboxing project. Papaursa (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Subject has no fights for a major MMA organization (failing WP:NMMA). He apparently has 1 fight, a loss, as a kickboxer in a non-notable event.  The event was deleted at Articles for deletion/K-1 Spain Battles 2009.  The Spanish WP did a google translate of that now deleted article and it says Rimbon was in one of the 16 bouts that night.  The K-1 website does not list him as a fighter. Papaursa (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That's because K-1 went bankrupt and all the content on the original website was lost. The new website has one page talking about its Grand Prix tournaments and who's currently fighting for them, but that's it. I already gave quoted the guideline for notability via WP:Kickboxing. What else do you need to prove he passes under that criteria? Luchuslu (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * He may well not have been listed on the old K-1 website since I know they didn't always list fighters unless they fought multiple times or in major K-1 events (like those leading to a K-1 champioship) and the Spanish event wasn't one of those. Also, it's hard to see how one gains notability by competing unsuccessfully at a non-notable event. Papaursa (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment World Victory Road is top tier as it had top ten fighters in Hirota, King Mo, Siyar, and Jorge Santiago. And that is just one card I am looking at of theirs. That is the card Moise Rimbon was on. His other Pancrase fight should be Top Tier as well. The guy he fought had 3 fights in the UFC. Plus, Josh Barnett and a multitude of other Pancrase fighters are/were top ten. Josh Barnett] is their Heavyweight Champion. Bodogfight should be top tier because it had lindland,Fedor, and Eddie alvarez, among others. Yeah, Moise is a keep because he has fought in more than a few top tier events.PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 09:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * He had 2 fights with WVR (considered top tier). There's no official UFC fights on his record and claiming Bodogfights and Pancrase are top tier is just making up your own standards instead of going with consensus. Papaursa (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean WP:MMATIER? That is just an essay. The evidence presented,in conjunction with common sense, lead me to believe he is notable enough for Wikipedia. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 22:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * At least it was done by consensus. You, on the other hand, prefer to use your own criteria instead--going so far as to make up your own tier rankings. Papaursa (talk) 05:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually in that notability thread one of the people I was arguing with said he would support Pancrase being top tier; Josh Barnett is their champion after all. There are also so few people involved in the mma project that to call anything churned out of there a consensus is laughable. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 07:32, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Barnett hasn't fought in Pancrase since 2003. If he's still their champion, I don't know how you make a case that it's an active top tier organization.  As far as not many participants, that's not surprising when editors keep getting driven off.  In the past week or so both Mtking and Jakejr decided they needed a break from the MMA abuse. Papaursa (talk) 22:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - If this article does survive this AfD, it certainly needs some more sources and prose. I'll add it the List of fighters that need full articles when the AfD closes. Luchuslu (talk) 20:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable as an MMA fighter since he fails WP:NSPORTS and not notable as a kickboxer since he lost his only bout at a non-notable event and I don't know how you become notable doing that.131.118.229.18 (talk) 17:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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