Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moj (app) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While on a pure nose count one might consider a "no consensus", the analysis of source depth and reliability (or the lack thereof) was not substantially refuted by individuals arguing to keep. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:51, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Moj (app)
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All the news has the same dates, PR Based material based on the company launch, and India bans TikTok events. Lordofhunter (talk) 09:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC) *Keep: After my WP:BEFORE. I found significant coverage passing WP:GNG. The previous nomination was Keep. Tictictoc (talk) 14:51, 3 January 2023 (UTC) striking confirmed, blocked sockpuppet, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 14:41, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business and India. Lordofhunter (talk) 09:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:15, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you share those coverages here? I have seen the old Nom, and I have also seen the exact dates of them. Lordofhunter (talk) 04:12, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: While you're right that a decent portion of the sources are from the app's release date, there is coverage independent of that (ie., , ) TheManInTheBlackHat   (Talk)  20:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Response Techcrunch source is not reliable as per WP:RS, This ET News is published by PR wired group IANS, and not even in-depth related to Moj, Last source is again based on PR Material, please read the news, whole news is said by Ankush Sachdeva, CEO of Moj. There is no analysis. Lordofhunter (talk) 05:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Passes notability criteria WP:GNG. There is significant coverage on Moj app in Wikipedia reliable sources. Himalayan7914 (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Response For companies we have WP:ORG, I appreciate if you can sources for it. Lordofhunter (talk) 05:27, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Found some independent coverage -    Also, some interviews -      Himalayan7914 (talk) 08:12, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Response You are again sharing the same kind of sources. The same news are related to Tiktok Ban is published on multiple platforms. It is not indepth related to Moj. We are looking for independent news related to the Company, not the interview of the spokesperson. Lordofhunter (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * When Moj app was launched in India it was considered as a replacement to Tiktok which got banned. This is the reason why most of the medias refer to Tiktok when they are covering Moj app. Also, most of the coverage I shared above is from last 6 months i.e. 2022. Tiktok was banned in July 2019. You will find lot coverage which has a mention of Tiktok ban but they are not necessarily from the launch time. Also, lot of sources from the article are also from 2022 and not from it's launch time. Himalayan7914 (talk) 04:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, Let me share you the review in detail of 4 sources shared by you, other than interview.
 * Bloomberg, NDTV is the exact same news published on 2 platforms at the same time, Do you think it is independent? Infact, It is also not an indepth coverage of Moj, there is no analyse of any journalist related to Moj. Infact the topic is something else here.
 * Your 3rd ET News is also about the same topic, not indepth about Moj.
 * FinancialExpress source is about "How 5g will change our life" How is it indepth about Moj?
 * Notability is too far for Moj to be consider. Lordofhunter (talk) 05:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete No comprehensive independent coverage. What there is seems to be the result of company press releases with no actual analysis. BruceThomson (talk) 01:25, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:52, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all I find are funding announcements and PR stuff, or things on clickbait sites. And what's explained above is pretty much all there is to say. Nothing notable here.Oaktree b (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Routine funding announcements and press releases do not contribute to notability. Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NSOFT in this regard. - Aoidh (talk) 00:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The article currently lists significant sources from the Bloomberg, Economic Times, the Financial Express and the Indian Express, which is exceptional for an app. Plus the app is one of the most downloaded apps in India and has user base of 300mn. Which is more than the combined population of Germany, UK, France, Italy and Spain. Debating over its notability is ridiculous.Devenjosh (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC) — Devenjosh (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The Bloomberg piece is an interview, Economic Times is very case-by-case in terms of reliability and the others you listed are examples of churnalism. 300m is a WP:BIGNUMBER but ultimately it's the quality of sources that matters, not the self-reported number of users. In this case, the quality of sources doesn't support an article for this subject at this time. - Aoidh (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Let the Admin decide if it is ridiculous or not. Just having a PR in a reliable media site, doesn't mean they are notable. None of them is independent or significant and Userbase is not a notability criterion. Please share top 3 sources which makes it notable. Lordofhunter (talk) 07:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, I find Aoidh's analysis of the sources at 16:41, 16 January 2023 to be the most persuasive and unrefuted. Does not meet the threshold of significant coverage that we set. Daniel (talk) 00:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


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