Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moline station


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The consensus is keep, if the available information changes it can be renominated. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Moline station

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Related to the recent AfD I put up on Geneseo station. Appears to be a bus terminal at present with insufficient sources to say "if" it'll become a railway(road) station. Sources however repeatedly stipulate project is on hold Nightfury 11:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 11:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 11:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Closeapple (talk) 03:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, as it's moved beyond just a plan (and into construction) and the building itself is independently notable as a former railroad station.  Sounder Bruce  03:34, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is a former railroad station, just a future railroad station. Rock Island Lines Passenger Station (Rock Island, Illinois) exists but I don't know if there was also a station in Moline. --Closeapple (talk) 03:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, the overall renovated building has parts in use now, but I'm not sure anything that is truly a train station is under construction yet: The latest source cited in the Wikipedia article indicated that the "interior of the train station" would be done by May 2017, but that might just mean the glass hall on the side of the building; and that the hotel would be done by August 2017, not the train station. The claim "passenger rail service to commence soon thereafter" is not supported at all by the source given for that claim. --Closeapple (talk) 10:55, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * : This article was titled "Moline (Amtrak station)" until yesterday. Some relevant points: According to "Train project still on track" (2018-02-25), "there is no update on a timeline other than 'it is in the state of Illinois' five-year plan.'".  But the future train station is actually part of a multi-use building now called the "Q", and overall that development is progressing: An Element Hotel just opened in the building.  https://www.moline.il.us/1367/5th-Avenue-Building-Hotel-Project calls this the "Fifth Avenue Building/Sears Roebuck Building". (Correction: The building we're talking about is 316 12th Street at 4th Avenue.  The Fifth Avenue Building, shown in File:Fifth Avenue Building.jpg, is 1620–1630 5th Avenue at 17th Street, a different building that is also an old Sears building that developers also hope becomes a hotel in the same historic district.)  "Officials expect The Q to be ready in May" also calls this the "O'Rourke Building".  http://www.moline.il.us/DocumentCenter/View/1871 shows the building as a contributing property just inside the Moline Downtown Commercial Historic District, with the boundary running through the new eastern extension of the building where the train station will be, so I don't know if the future train station is technically inside or outside the historic district.  However, "Why It Took So Long To Build “The Q” in Downtown Moline" (2017-12-26) mentions building the Grand Hall on the east side of the building, saying "We had to follow the 106 Process, because we used federal money in a historic building so this building is on the National Register," so maybe this article could be merged into Moline Downtown Commercial Historic District, particularly if it were about the Q in general; or maybe there is enough substantial coverage about the building to get it to General notability guideline already. --Closeapple (talk) 03:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Closeapple's information, the historic building is listed on the National Register of Historic Places, not as an individual listing but as a contributing building in a historic district.  We have lots of articles on such buildings, which can be presumed to be at least marginally notable, but also we don't have to have a separate article.  Here, it seems appropriate for the current article to cover the historic station and also current station and/or planned future station.  Seems like there's plenty going on about this.  Revisit in 5 years if not settled out more clearly by then.  Also, as Closeapple suggests, merger/redirect into the historic district article is also a possibility as a wp:ATD alternative to deletion, but this is complicated enough as it is, and Keep is simply better. --Doncram (talk) 20:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above. It was already a station and even on the NRHP.  Even if it doesn't return to passenger service, it's still notable. --Oakshade (talk) 03:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Huh? What is the "it" in Moline that "was already a station" and had "passenger service"?  (See below &mdash; still not sure what "it" that "was".)  You made the same blanket claim over 5 unbuilt stations at Articles for deletion/Belvidere station, when one of them (Lena station) also doesn't even have a claim of a station ever being in that town. --Closeapple (talk) 01:58, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Just out of fairness: I've done some more digging. Moline had at least 3 train stations simultaneously in the past; so I still have no idea what Oakshade means by "it" that "already was a station".   Also, none of these sources are enough to prove WP:GNG, and I see no evidence that any of them have any relation to the site of The Q:
 * I found a couple photographs of a train station in Moline, opened in 1900 for the Davenport, Rock Island & North Western Railway, and closed in 1934; it was torn down circa 2016. Despite the "Rock Island" in the name, it apparently was not part of the CRI&P that everyone thinks of today.  According to Union Station (Davenport, Iowa), the DRI&NW was bought jointly in 1901 by the  and the .  (None of this is "substantial coverage" for WP:GNG.)
 * According to The WPA Guide to Illinois, there were three train stations in Moline by the 1930s: the CB&Q at 1929 4th Avenue; the Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Pacific at 2016 3rd Avenue (which sounds awfully close to the CB&Q, doesn't it?); and the Rock Island Lines (presumably the CRI&P since the other two railroads owned the DRI&NW) in the 1800 block of 4th Avenue. (This is just a listing of services in the city, not substantail coverage for WP:GNG.)
 * http://www.greenfrog.com/rocketsDefy_BD.shtml sells a video called Rock Island: The Rockets Defy Discontinuance which mentions that there was a "Quad Cities" service from Chicago to Moline in 1971. (Doesn't show whether the content of the video is substantial coverage of any Moline station for WP:GNG.)
 * --Closeapple (talk) 02:59, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 13:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. there's sufficient ifnomration to call it a station now, and historically tit seems clear that there was one. DGG ( talk ) 21:34, 18 April 2018 (UTC)


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