Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mollie McGoran


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The one "keep" makes no real argument in terms of Wikipedia guidelines or policies.  Sandstein  19:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Mollie McGoran

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AFD because PROD is contested. In my opinion, being elected as the member of SYP does not constitute notability per WP:NPOL. While SYP is somewhat on a national level, it is vastly different from Scottish Parliament. &maltese; SunDawn &maltese;    (contact)   19:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, Politics, Environment,  and Scotland. Skynxnex (talk) 19:46, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. Does not meet WP:N. Even with an attempt at references, I think this is essentially SPIP. At most, she is currently a sentence in the Scottish Youth Parliament article. Coldupnorth (talk) 08:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note Retain have amended citations to avoid linkrot. Notability for youth activists is hard to evidence, perhaps, but she is as active as other (adult male) elected representatives in first term of office, who are considered suitable for Wikipedia articles, and despite the comment on SYP versus Scottish Parliament, above, the impact e.g. on youth free public travel card is national (Scotland) and maybe now influence policy development elsewhere in the UK.Kaybeesquared (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment NPOL states that "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline." The general notability guideline is not met. A comparison to other adult male elected representatives generally is not sufficient for notability. If we look at the article for Scottish Youth Parliament, there are only two links to articles on ANY of their representatives. One is this one and the other is also female. I hope that this young woman goes on to become notable, but at the moment that notability is not established. It's the Scottish Youth Parliament... This would be like trying to establish articles for every member of the UK Youth Parliament or the comparable Youth Delegates to the General Assembly of the United Nations, the notability is not there. Coldupnorth (talk) 14:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. A youth parliament is not an WP:NPOL-passing office. The difference between Mollie McGoran and an MSP isn't that they're men and she's a woman, particularly given that it's not even remotely true that all MSPs at Holyrood are men (see e.g. Nicola Sturgeon, Katy Clark, Angela Constance, Màiri McAllan) — it's that they serve in the primary national law-making body of Scotland while McGoran doesn't. Furthermore, notability is not established by primary sources, which is what the footnotes here are: you do not establish a person as notable enough for a Wikipedia article by sourcing it to government reports and the self-published websites of organizations she's directly affiliated with; you establish a person as notable enough for a Wikipedia article by sourcing it to journalism in the media. Bearcat (talk) 21:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


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